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And The Frenzy Begins...:biggrin: Kellyco Now Has Sovereign Version Of 13" Ultimate In Stock For First Time!

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Critterhunter

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Kellyco Joe said:
Hi Bik-il

We have a number of the 13 " Ultimate DD Coil For Sovereign GT instock. (part #13USOV )

Cheerz
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I'm hearing depth might be as deep as the 12x10, but nobody has tested head to head yet (?) in the FBS or BBS circiles the I'm aware of. Just hearing impressions at least on the web from those who have used both coils that say it seems to hit deep stuff as loud and hard as the 12x10, and the 12x10 was raved for that even among some Pro Coil FBS guys for the much harder/louder response at depth. Nobody that I know of has put them head to head on undug stuff in the field yet to compare to nail it down to a science yet far as I know.

The 13" Ultimate is said by some to seem to have some unique ability to sound off to coins in iron better than a conventional round DD coil, but I'm hearing from some does not separate as well as the 12x10, while others are still rather impressed with how well the Ultimate separates for a 13" coil, so it appears to have some better ability in that respect than a conventional round DD coil. A very light and interesting coil with the potential to go deep and maybe sniff some stuff out of iron that a round big DD coil won't normaly do from what I hear.

Money is tight for me at the moment unless I dig up a few gold rings :biggrin: that I can burn a few bucks with, otherwise you know I'd be writing up one whopping field report on it head to head with the 12x10. So I'm hoping somebody else will put this coil head to head with the 12x10 on depth and separation on undug targets in the field and see how things pan out. A field test report like that will be better than anything on TV. :biggrin: You can BE that hero to people if you get one and already have a 12x10. Some garden testing or such would be great, if not more in field comparison on marked found targets with both coils to see how they compare in both depth and unmasking (seperation). I can only beg and push that somebody does this comparison report, but I can't pay...:biggrin:
 
Here is the Sovereign version listed on Kellyco...

http://www.kellycodetectors.com/accessories/searchcoils.htm#ultimate-coil

Wonder if they have it in a black version to as was discussed in the coil sticky that Detech now makes black ones?

Don
 
Dug up some more stuff on it...

The Ultimate for the Sov comes in at 587g and is said to be lighter than the 10" Tornado. However, it might even be lighter than that. The guy I found this blurb about was talking about this coil for the Sovereign, but I don't know if he was giving the weight of the FBS version that had already had it's weight # floating around on the web. I know the SEF coils appear lighter in their BBS versions than FBS versions according to the coil weight chart we put together a while back with everybody weighing coils, so while the above weight is pretty darn light, it could in fact be even lighter maybe if that was the weight listed for the FBS version.

You can compare the above weight to our weighed weight of the 12x10 in the coil weight chart thread that there is a link for on the first page or so of the coil sticky at the top of the forum. The 12x10 without coil cover is lighter than the 10" Tornado, but off hand with coil cover on I don't remember if it's lighter than the Tornado. I'll dig that up, convert the above weight to ounces, and then list how these three coils stack up weight wise to each other (in ounces) sooner or later here. Just don't feel like doing it at the moment.

Dug up Sovereign user's post in the UK about it...

"Was out yesterday with the SDG gang and the new Ultimate 13
 
Some of you know I have the Detech 13" Ultimate on my DFX. This is the biggest coil I own and I would not want to go any bigger. This coil has been great IMHO. For such a large coil it does very well when it comes to separation and of course depth. I will try to get one for my Sovereign GT as soon as funds allow. I still use my Sun-Ray S-5 coil for the real trash and the Tornado 10" coil for everything else. HH. Matt
 
No need to thank me, it gives me something to do. :biggrin: I'm about done with posting stuff in the stickys though. I think the content is more than enough on the various ones now to answer all the more common questions on various Sovereign or Excal things that usually pop up. That leaves more time for people to talk about hunts or get into finer detail on stuff in the threads is the way I look at it. That's what I was shooting for with my contributions to the other info already posted by people in them. Kill the questions that always pop up with sticky content and it leaves more time for other things to talk about. :thumbup:
 
There were a few lucky early ones I know of to get this coil a few months back in the US and using it on an Excal at least, but keep in mind this coil is rated only water resistant, so make darn sure you seal the threads of the coil cable nut with rubber cement or something and snug it down a tiny bit with a wrench. I'd also put some under the rubber nut sleeve to seal that to the cable. Even with all that done, get one pin hole leak in that coil and it's probably lights out I would figure since it sounds like it's not filled with epoxy or otherwise it would be rated waterproof like other coils I think.

And here's a thread in the Explorer forum where Bryce does his excellent usual job of field testing coils. This thread also links to other field tests he did with it, as well as to a few in the Etrac forum where a guy compares it to the 12x10...But without actual head to head hunts I think...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1730160
 
Thanks Critterhunter for all the info. As part of my research towards getting a beach and land machine I've read many of your thoughtful posts.

You talked me into getting a Sov GT which came last week. In anticipation of its arrival I ordered the 13in Ultimate coil a while back and it arrived today.

As a new user I'll have to get some hours under my belt before I chime in on the coil.

Thanks much!

Bik

former forum 'lurker' from Chicagoland. Excal for water. Sov GT, S-1 probe and minelab digisearch meter for everything else.
 
Glad I'm useful to at least a few people on here. A few others have had enough of me. :biggrin: PLEASE relate to us how you like that coil on your GT in relation to your coil on your Xcal...Which is what coil? I'm guessing 10" Tornado maybe? If you have the time to burn some time how about doing a few buried test targets in the sand and see which machine and coil hits deeper and such. Maybe a coin or ring on edge too to compare both, as often at least some larger coils (WOT, SEFs) hit coins or rings on edge better than smaller coils.
 
Yep,

10in stock coil on my Excal.

That 'work' thing keeps rearing its head, pouring cold water on my plans to become a master clad hunter or a model railroad engineer. Same thing happened last summer during my quest to become a professional bass fisherman!
That's hobbies for ya.

spent hours putting the GT together and figgern' out a hip mount setup but no time to take it out for a spin yet.

After a few hours on the GT in the field I'll compare the 13in to the Excal and tell you what I think.
 
Great! :thumbup: Also, kind'a judge how high you are able to ride sensitivity on one machine versus the other at the same sites if possible. I know the 12x10 lets me run at full max sensitivity at many sites where the 10" Tornado couldn't, although sometimes I could with the Tornado too. Just seems the 12x10 allows it more often. Also, once I tested both on a silver dime buried. At 3PM sensitivity the Tornado couldn't hear the dime but the 12x10 hit it easily, and I didn't touch the sensitivity dial. That told me even at the same sensitivity level it's deeper, and since it often rides at higher sensitivity settings than the stock coil it by all rights should get deeper by that alone, not to mention it's bigger physical size.

Thus far in the field the 12x10 has got me wheats and silvers in dry conditions at around 8 or 9" at sites where the Tornado couldn't muster that (or not with as good of a hit) at the same sites when the soil was dry too for it. But, at one of these sites during wet conditions the Tornado got me my two deepest coins at 11" each. An indian and a v-nickle in separate holes dug, and with good hard hits and perfect ID.

That was before I got the 12x10, and I haven't hunted that known deep coin site yet with it during ideal wet conditions like that, but I'm confident the 12x10 is deeper by my tests and what it does in the dry stuff at the same sites that the Tornado struggled with depth wise when dry.

My deepest silver thus far with the 12x10 is a dime at about 9" in dry conditons and it hit well. My soil ranges from moderate to heavy minerals from site to site, and all my non-Minelabs struggled to where only two of all the machines I owned (non-Minelabs) could max out at about 7.5" in depth on a dime and that was a struggle. I was please with my Explorers in my soil to finally break that 7.5" dime barrier but I'm even more pleased with what the GT is doing in my soil.
 
I just saw a tiny web blurb direct from Detech saying you can choose the Sovereign version in black or white. Don
 
Does anyone know if Ron's meter will work with the 13 " Ultimate DD Coil For Sovereign GT
 
I would say 99.9% sure that it will work with any Sovereign meter except that internal mod one maybe that replaces the speaker on the control box. That's the only meter I'm aware of that won't work with certain coils, that being the SEF coils. Since the Ultimate is also a Detech product then perhaps it won't work with that internal meter either maybe? There is a supposed fix for the SEF coils to work with that internal speaker replacing meter that involves just placing a jumper on either two of the coil plug pins or on the back of that meter it's self I think, but I don't know if anybody ever tried it. I would guess the jumper is maybe to ground one of the 2 (or is it 3?) ground pins from the coil that perhaps that meter doesn't normaly use in order to properly ground the meter to the coil, but that's just a big stab in the dark guess. Good question though, but I'd only worry about it if you were using that internal meter. The SEF coils will work fine on a Sovereign using the internal mod meter, it's just that the meter won't ID stuff for some odd reason like discussed above maybe. Far as I know all external meters work with all coils out there for the Sovereign, and since Ron's uses the same setup as any other external meter to read the VDI I would bet money there are no issues with it, or any other external meter for that matter.

Those internal meter mods are popular among those who chest or hip mount the box all the time, but most people who mount the box on the shaft and such prefer an external meter as it is much easier to see the VDI. Impossible on the internal meter mod unless you have the box mounted on top of the shaft or something. That's why it seems to be only popular among those who hip or chest mount the box. Also, I *think* once you do that internal meter job you can no longer use external meters, so anybody thinking of having that done should think long and hard before making the decision to do that. Might kill the resale value of the machine. Some guys love it though, but primarily they are hip or chest mounters.
 
I do not see anything extraordinary about that coil that the ones i have now can do on the video , not really impressed yet , also air testing the 13" is useless it is not even close to digging a target that has been in the ground a few 100 years . Jim
 
Deepdiger, at least on the FBS machines Bryce is saying it'll sound off to coins in iron a bit more than a standard round DD coil. Also have heard the separation is pretty good for such a big coil, but I have heard from a few the 12x10 separates better. Not surprising due to the unique shape of the 12x10 to compress the width of the DD line, and also because it's 1" shorter and 3" less wide. Thus far I'm hearing it seems to make deep coins sound just as loud as the 12x10, which many FBS guys say makes deep stuff louder than the Pro Coil, so it might be as deep as the 12x10 but no hard head to head yet on the net I think to judge that yet.
 
I figured this info would be more appropriate in this thread than the other one. With the unexpected generous offer from a GT user to try out his new Ultimate 13" coil he just bought and write a little field report on it, I should have this coil by mid to late next week in the mail from him. Due to his obligations he won't be able to use it for a month or so maybe, so he figured he'd see if I wanted to give his coil a spin and see what I thought about it in comparison to my 12x10, 10" Tornado, and also the 15x12 I used to own. Needless to say I jumped on the offer and want to thank him for the generosity of doing so...

I've got the perfect few sites in mind to test the Ultimate at. Two sites come to mind right off the bat. Both I always grid hard with each new machine or coil I've got over the years. The GT pulled more coins out of these two sites with the stock 10" Tornado, and the 15x12 and then the 12x10 used later also pulled more coins out of them. One site is known for deep coins. My two deepest are an 11" v-nickle and an 11" indian dug with the GT.

This site is pretty devoid of trash and just has really deep coins present. It also has a tree in the center of it that I've gridded hard around with every machine and coil I ever owned, yet the GT pulled more stuff from around this tree. While most of the site is lacking much trash and just has deep coins, right around the tree for about a 40 foot diameter there is a lot of iron present.

The stock 10" Tornado did well at this site, as did the 15x12, and then the 12x10 did even better there. So this will be a good site to see how the Ultimate can both do in depth in clean ground conditions, as well as how it will do around that tree where I know more shallow coins still lurk but are masked in heavy iron. I hear the Ultimate has some unique abilities to sound off to coins in iron not seen on conventional round DD coils, so I am real interested in seeing what it does there. I hear a few blurbs that it doesn't separate as well left/right wise as the 12x10 due to the SEF's unique shape that compresses the DD line, but as said I hear it will sound off to coins in iron easier than other round DD coils will. That's an interesting thing I want to see for myself.

The other site I have in mind has a lot of iron over it's entire area, and I've dug old coins both shallow and at extreme depth at this site hiding among the iron. Even in patches of it where no iron exists, the soil is highly mineralized with tiny hot rocks in places that made even shallower coins with some of my prior machines give really iffy coin signals. So it should be a good test at this site for depth, finding coins among iron (shallow and deep), as well as finding coins that aren't all that deep but are being masked in some ways degrading the target signal due to the nature of the hot rock(ish) type soil in some places. Interestingly enough, much of the site where the iron is present has good rich black soil somewhat low in minerals, but then in the areas where the iron junk is in low numbers, the soil gets mineralized and contains these fine hot rock like sand particles that make even a shallow coin signal sound pretty bad.

So those two sites should be a really good test of this coin in all kinds of various masking, depth, clean ground, iron, and hot rock conditions. Both sites "have it all" in terms of what they throw at a detector and it's coil. The perfect place to see what this coil will do, and whether it will find deeper or badly masked coins that all my prior machines and coils somehow missed. These are my two "go to site proving grounds" when it comes to any new machine or coil I buy to see just what they are capable of. Hope the sound of that interests some people. If it don't then you don't have a "thing" for trying out coils like I do. :biggrin: I know I live for reading field reports like this on a coil myself. Almost as much as I do writing them. :biggrin:
 
So the Ultimate 13" will not work on the Elite? That is what I have heard, but why not? The machines are basically the same, other than a few extra features. Why would it not work?! See I found a good as new (used once) on Ebay for $140 shipped(199 + shipping on Kellyco new). The guy selling on ebay said it would not work with Elite...I can not find an SEF 10x12...I have a Tornado 10 inch and just purchased a Sunray S-5 intruder (5 inch DD). Is the 10x12 THAT much better than the Tornado 10"? From the reviews I have read it is a bit better but not THAT much? Well maybe I am trying to convince myself:minelab:
 
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