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A T Gold
- Thread starter jim tn
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Night Crawler
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All Metal Mode with the AT Gold would be the same as Pro Zero with the AT Pro, so no, discriminate modes 1 - 2 are not the same jim tn.
BJ in Okla.
Active member
I hope I get this right,
All metal on the AT Gold is a true AM mode,, noting like the AT Pro in pro mode, zero disc.....
Disc. 1 is zero disc. , you can not change the notches..
Disc. 2 has one square of foil out and like 2 squares of tabs out...
Disc. 1 & 2 have 3 tones,, but sound a little different than the AT Pro, to me...
All 3 modes have a Th. tone that can be changed,,, but, to me, it only works like a TH. tone in the AM mode...
The true AM mode is a little deeper that the AT Pro....
All metal on the AT Gold is a true AM mode,, noting like the AT Pro in pro mode, zero disc.....
Disc. 1 is zero disc. , you can not change the notches..
Disc. 2 has one square of foil out and like 2 squares of tabs out...
Disc. 1 & 2 have 3 tones,, but sound a little different than the AT Pro, to me...
All 3 modes have a Th. tone that can be changed,,, but, to me, it only works like a TH. tone in the AM mode...
The true AM mode is a little deeper that the AT Pro....
Night Crawler
New member
All Metal Mode with the AT Gold and Pro Zero Mode/No Descrimination with the AT Pro will give the most depth from each machine. Descrimination in any amount means just that (It's filtered) and affects depth on either machine.
I think that's what jim tn was basing it on, or at least that's the way understood his initial question and based my answer to that.
I think that's what jim tn was basing it on, or at least that's the way understood his initial question and based my answer to that.
basically I am trying to justify having the Gold along with my Pro, but I would want depth in one of the disc modes to be as deep as the pro zero mode of the A T. I know about all metal, but I am not a all metal hunter all the time.
Thanks again for all your help. HH jim tn
Thanks again for all your help. HH jim tn
Night Crawler
New member
I think the Graph Guru (John In Edmonton) would be the person to speak with then. If it's those kind of details your looking for. I do recall JE posting some great chart Comparisons between the 2 metal detectors awhile back.
Maybe he can chime in or you could send him a message to see them again. I can't seem to find them at the moment, sorry.
Maybe he can chime in or you could send him a message to see them again. I can't seem to find them at the moment, sorry.
tabman said:
Depth in All Metal mode...and adjustable threshhold with the AT Gold. "In ground" difference between all metal and disc one is an easy 3". I have found targets in the ground using all metal mode and before digging I raised the coil up a little until the signal was faint. Switched over to disc one while swinging at the same elevation and the target disappeared. Using a discrimination filter really saps the horsepower from this machine.
I bought the AT Gold mainly because of Steve H's recommendation and his comparison between the pro and gold. I'm pretty sure I made the right (informed) decision.
In my case I am not looking at the gold as a replacement for the Pro, but a companion. It seemingly has a lot of merit as a relic machine and since I do spend a month to six weeks each summer around fresh water beaches it again seemingly would be a good small gold hunter. I like the Pro for its stability, un-masking ability, non jumpy I d and it being water proof. Probably all traits of the Gold plus a couple other aspects. HH jim tn
BJ in Okla.
Active member
BJ in Okla. said:
Let me add,, in disc 1 & 2,, with no iron disc. you only have 2 tones...I run iron disc 35,, so have 3 tones..
And in All Metal,,, with no iron disc, its a med tone,, but with iron disc, you have 2 tones, low and med...
The only time I use AM mode is to check out a deep whisper...
Most of the time,, I have to drop the sens to find a clean spot to GB...
I run in Disc 1 with 35 iron disc and iron audio on....Sens as high as I can..
If you want to learn the All Metal Mode, go to a sand lot or gravel tot lot and dig everything after first checking it with Iron Audio. You'll be surprised what you can learn in one hour. I use AMM whenever I can. Listen to the sounds at the start of the target and at the end. Sure, you don't want to use it in trashy areas, but as soon as the trash starts to thin out, use it. The ID numbers won't be accurate on the very deep targets.
jim tn said:
I haven't had the pleasure of using the Pro so I can't offer a comparison on depth. I picked up the Gold the end of December and have put a good bit of time on it. In disc 1 with a coin size target I don't think I have found anything much past 8" deep. Ground phase around here usually runs from 70 to 80 on the scale. The performance of the all metal mode is much better. I have found #8 bird shot at 3 to 4" while prospecting, granted it was just a waver in the threshold but that's a pretty small target, in some tough ground as well. But it's also one I would expect the Gold to find due to it's prospecting orientation.
It takes some getting used to for sure running in AM, especially in really trashy areas. I can't take it for than 15 or 20 minutes before I have to switch back to disc 1 and give my ears a break. But if your in an area that's not too trashy AM is the way to go. It will find targets that disc modes will pass right over. As Mikelab mentioned the I.D. will not work on deeper targets (unless it's a beer can
), but half of the challenge in some areas is finding a target, then worry about figuring out what it is. I have found the I.D. to be pretty accurate when the machine get close enough,The Gold really likes round targets, probably because it's a souped up coin machine. I have been killing it on coins around here. Found 3 silver rings so far and I haven't had it in the water yet. The Gold loves ox shoes and old axe heads too. So far I have 5 ox shoes piled up, couple horse shoes and multiple old axe heads. Kind of got tired of packing them out of the woods. In my opinion I think the Gold would do very well as a relic machine, that big iron at depth 12" or more screams out with a high tone. I have dug more than one old water pipe because of that high tone
Once again I haven't used the Pro. Just trying to give you an idea of what the Gold can do.
Kenny
Thanks Kenny, good info. 8" on a penny, dime size coin is about the deepest I've dug with the Pro in pro zero. I have dug a few large caliber 3 ring mini's a little deeper. I have a good bit of ground I hunt around here that all metal would work fine. My ground phase here is usually mid to upper 80's. Been fun to read the input from all you fellows. Thanks! HH jim tn
It depends on how you use it. If you just go by ID numbers, in Disc 1 I found a silver dime at 8 1/2 inches that hit a high tone and read 82-83. Deeper targets are not even going to give a high tone every time and the numbers could read way low. Look for the narrow targets with a sharp response and are deep. I say they sound like they speed up. I still watch the numbers but if it's deep, anything much over iron I want to take a second look. Of course once you dig down a ways you can recheck to see what's happening. Again, this is with the 5 x 8 coil.
jim tn said:
From what I have been reading, that makes sense. I have heard Disc 1 on the Gold is pretty much the same as pro zero mode on the Pro. If true, your benefit would be AM mode and learning how to interpret the threshold. It will make audible finds much deeper than Disc 1, there will also be targets that just make a waver in the threshold. Once you get the hang of it you will recognise those wavers and scrape a little dirt off to see if the signal improves. When prospecting around here, those wavers are usually the good targets. Not many easy targets left when it comes to gold.
Kenny
William-NM
New member
Well, that's where all metal mode comes in... with you sharp ear, I think you could do some serious damage with the ATG on that hunted out ground. It is crazy-sensitive. 