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A possible solution To save detecting from being banned.
- Thread starter JASONSPAZ1
- Start date
I'm afraid I am inclined to agree with those who say it is probably not something that should be pursued. I' thought of it myself and while it would seem to be a good idea basically, the idea of bringing the subject up to any local government is bringing unwanted attention to something that they may not have given any thought to UNTIL WE POINT IT OUT TO THEM OURSELVES ironically. And it is true that the fees could be made so high that we would be priced out of our hobby. This would be at the instigation of those who want to see our hobby destroyed. The analogy of hunting and fishing licenses might seem to make sense at first glance, but consider: no wildlife conservationist so far as I know is as anti-activity as those who oppose us in our own hobby. This is no doubt because fish and deer do after all reproduce, while relics and old coins do not. It is kind of a catch-22 situation I guess.
DONT FORGET ONE THING!
IT"S PUBLIC LAND,YOU ALREADY OWN IT.IT'S YOURS I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU BUT I'M TIRED OF PAYING MONEY TO THOSE WHO CANT SPEND IT THE RIGHT WAY.HAVE YOU WATCHED THE NEWS LATELY IT'S PATHETIC.IF YOU WANT SOMTHING TO BE DONE,THEN CATCH THE SOBS THAT ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND MAKE IT PUBLIC SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE,AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THEM.THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY DO CATCH THEM THEY SLAP THERE HAND AND SAY,DONT DO THAT AGIAN AND SEND THEM HOME.TRUST ME! YOU SLAP A HUGE FINE ON THEM,AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THEM THEY WILL WISH THEY HAD NEVER DONE IT.
IF YOU OFFER TO PAY SOME CITY OR COUNTY OR STATE MONEY TO MD WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO END UP,AND WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP.
IT"S PUBLIC LAND,YOU ALREADY OWN IT.IT'S YOURS I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU BUT I'M TIRED OF PAYING MONEY TO THOSE WHO CANT SPEND IT THE RIGHT WAY.HAVE YOU WATCHED THE NEWS LATELY IT'S PATHETIC.IF YOU WANT SOMTHING TO BE DONE,THEN CATCH THE SOBS THAT ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND MAKE IT PUBLIC SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE,AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THEM.THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY DO CATCH THEM THEY SLAP THERE HAND AND SAY,DONT DO THAT AGIAN AND SEND THEM HOME.TRUST ME! YOU SLAP A HUGE FINE ON THEM,AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THEM THEY WILL WISH THEY HAD NEVER DONE IT.
IF YOU OFFER TO PAY SOME CITY OR COUNTY OR STATE MONEY TO MD WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO END UP,AND WHEN WILL IT EVER STOP.
Bad idea, IMHO.
Offering to pay for permits to detect won't "save the hobby."
What it will do is draw negative attention and cause more places to ban detecting.
The best thing I can do is always act professional and be courteous to those I come in contact with while detecting.
In my small corner of the world I can help offset the general public stereotype of us as introverted, anti-social nerds.
Offering to pay for permits to detect won't "save the hobby."
What it will do is draw negative attention and cause more places to ban detecting.
The best thing I can do is always act professional and be courteous to those I come in contact with while detecting.
In my small corner of the world I can help offset the general public stereotype of us as introverted, anti-social nerds.
Correction Sir
Quote "IT"S PUBLIC LAND,YOU ALREADY OWN"
It's United States Government land..open to the public. Run by the National Forest Service. We support it with Tax dollars.
Be like saying we own the White House..try detecting the front yard....As it stands now it's been ruled no detecting. All we can do is try to get the ruling changed. Do we have a voice..yes, can we get changes..maybe.
Quote "IT"S PUBLIC LAND,YOU ALREADY OWN"
It's United States Government land..open to the public. Run by the National Forest Service. We support it with Tax dollars.
Be like saying we own the White House..try detecting the front yard....As it stands now it's been ruled no detecting. All we can do is try to get the ruling changed. Do we have a voice..yes, can we get changes..maybe.
Its true there are a lot of places that are closed to hunting and some should and will remain that way.I do network with local hunter's and for the most part they conduct their selves very well and I'm proud to be with these hunters in the field.Again there's always one or two in every area,but we'll find away to work around them.At this point I have a lot of good hunting area's including lakes.
i am in complete agreement with everything you say!..in the final analysis,all anyone can really do is to be sure you practice the best recovery tecniques,and conduct yourself with professionalism where ever you choose to detect...you have NO control over what others do!..extremely frustrating for sure!
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Idaho-Marke
New member
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xironworker
New member
i think its a bad idea.each year or so they will raise the price,eventually forcing us to take classes,and corner the market on sales etc.etc. its just another opportunity for them to take money from us.stand together and fight.
So far there are 2 reasons why metal detecting is banned from any area.
1. Detector users not filling holes or digging huge holes to get a single coin.
2. The "historical saviors" want to let the metal "trinkets and artifacts" rust in the ground, stating that we are robbing their "precious" items from their ground.
Solution for number 1 is to keep telling newbies to dig small holes and cover any hole they dig, back up.
Solution for number 2, is to offer our help in getting these artifacts dug up so they can be preserved correctly, in a museum, instead of rusting away in the ground. Any items found that are mass produced, like coins and modern jewelry , should be ours to keep, and they can keep the rest.
1. Detector users not filling holes or digging huge holes to get a single coin.
2. The "historical saviors" want to let the metal "trinkets and artifacts" rust in the ground, stating that we are robbing their "precious" items from their ground.
Solution for number 1 is to keep telling newbies to dig small holes and cover any hole they dig, back up.
Solution for number 2, is to offer our help in getting these artifacts dug up so they can be preserved correctly, in a museum, instead of rusting away in the ground. Any items found that are mass produced, like coins and modern jewelry , should be ours to keep, and they can keep the rest.
How bout a weekend class on metal detecting, what you use, how to use it, how to establish permission..etc. Kinda like a hunter education course, or a motorcycle safety course. After you take this course, and pay a ONE TIME FEE you get a card, that says you are licensed to detect and so on and so forth.
I have had to take a lot of theses courses for "certificates" that give me the right to do something. Make a code of ethics, which we already have, as the unsaid rules to go by. If we could just educate people they might see it the right way.
And if anyone asks me why I do this, especially in tot lots, I reach into my bag, pull out the biggest, gnarliest, rustiest nail there is and ask them, "Other than a coin collector, I find stuff like this, I know I would feel safer knowing that this was not in the ground where my child played." That seems to put them in there place. I feel like I am doing the world some justice while I enjoy my HOBBY.
Not only are we protecting a lot of innocent kids from being poked, prodded, punctured, or otherwise protruded into, I am staying fit, by exercising, and making a buck or two while I do.
My rant for the day.
I have had to take a lot of theses courses for "certificates" that give me the right to do something. Make a code of ethics, which we already have, as the unsaid rules to go by. If we could just educate people they might see it the right way.
And if anyone asks me why I do this, especially in tot lots, I reach into my bag, pull out the biggest, gnarliest, rustiest nail there is and ask them, "Other than a coin collector, I find stuff like this, I know I would feel safer knowing that this was not in the ground where my child played." That seems to put them in there place. I feel like I am doing the world some justice while I enjoy my HOBBY.
Not only are we protecting a lot of innocent kids from being poked, prodded, punctured, or otherwise protruded into, I am staying fit, by exercising, and making a buck or two while I do.
My rant for the day.
JASONSPAZ1
New member
I know some may have been a little upset about the idea of an introduction of detecting licenses.
But the basic problem we face can not be solved by manufactures preaching good detector ethics.
And we can preach until we are blue in the face on how newbies should fill holes.
All it takes is a person who is suffering in this economy, to see one of those late night White's infomercials.
Then that person gets a cheap machine and go's to an old public park, that may have been your "hot-spot" in the spring damp dirt.
He gets thrown out for digging HUGE holes, and being annoying during a ball game wearing no headphones.
Next thing you know there is a NO Detecting sign.
The comparison between a fishing license and a detecting license is this.
If some jack@ss decides to keep an under sized Striped Bass, and he is fishing right next to me. I don't have to worry about getting thrown of the water as he would. Since I have a license and he most likely does not, And I follow the rules.
If some banana head decides to not fill his holes and leaves trash. I don't have to worry about being thrown off with him since I have a permit, and understand the code of ethics.
If detecting is Banned in all public parks, and they( town officials) are stubborn in their stance. Would you pay a fee for a license to have the right to detect?
The knuckle head politicians make the rules, we don't. We nee a back up proposal in case they decide to go ahead and create a blanket Ban.
Believe me I wish Government would stay the hell out of our Hobby. But if they get their dirty hands involved, we have to work with them. Most of us don't have the personal time to give to be a "crusader" in the war against detecting that is brewing. We can sign petitions, and write letters. But beyond that what can we do? We don't have a RECOGNIZED organization like the NRA.
The one area detecting is not like fishing is that good finds don't school and return back to Honey holes to be found again.
I am not trying to offend anyone. Just brainstorming solutions
Take Care
Jason
But the basic problem we face can not be solved by manufactures preaching good detector ethics.
And we can preach until we are blue in the face on how newbies should fill holes.
All it takes is a person who is suffering in this economy, to see one of those late night White's infomercials.
Then that person gets a cheap machine and go's to an old public park, that may have been your "hot-spot" in the spring damp dirt.
He gets thrown out for digging HUGE holes, and being annoying during a ball game wearing no headphones.
Next thing you know there is a NO Detecting sign.
The comparison between a fishing license and a detecting license is this.
If some jack@ss decides to keep an under sized Striped Bass, and he is fishing right next to me. I don't have to worry about getting thrown of the water as he would. Since I have a license and he most likely does not, And I follow the rules.
If some banana head decides to not fill his holes and leaves trash. I don't have to worry about being thrown off with him since I have a permit, and understand the code of ethics.
If detecting is Banned in all public parks, and they( town officials) are stubborn in their stance. Would you pay a fee for a license to have the right to detect?
The knuckle head politicians make the rules, we don't. We nee a back up proposal in case they decide to go ahead and create a blanket Ban.
Believe me I wish Government would stay the hell out of our Hobby. But if they get their dirty hands involved, we have to work with them. Most of us don't have the personal time to give to be a "crusader" in the war against detecting that is brewing. We can sign petitions, and write letters. But beyond that what can we do? We don't have a RECOGNIZED organization like the NRA.
The one area detecting is not like fishing is that good finds don't school and return back to Honey holes to be found again.
I am not trying to offend anyone. Just brainstorming solutions
Take Care
Jason
How about reminding those park people and elected officials, that there is no special upkeep for us to use the park for metal detecting. They don't have to build us a special place, like a baseball field,soccer field,swimming pool etc. , and they don't have to pay anyone to maintain it just for us, as they do a pool, soccer field, baseball diamond......
We help clean the park in all the areas we detect in, for no charge..
We help clean the park in all the areas we detect in, for no charge..
GRAY GHOST
New member
...except for manicured lawns, of course. again, some good responses and some good ideas have come forth. what a provocative post! i know we are one of the most heavily taxed nations on the face of the earth. there's no reason the public lands couldn't be opened up to unrestricted metal detecting. we can afford it. after all, it is our land, right? i can see a city's ability to issue permits, and enforce them, but when the state or feds get involved, they're sure to mess it up somehow. every bureau has regulators, and every regulator has a regulator. it would end up being a bleeding red fiscal mess and another reason for us taxpayers to howl. i just cannot see the end benefits for anybody involved.
i as well as many others fail to understand the official view that old and sometimes valuable coins and relics should be left to decompose in the ground. that is clearly the thinking of a greedy madman. i suppose some things aren't meant to be understood, but that's their position. i'm sure there's an ulterior motive too. i've always thought if you didn't like the area you live in, with their silly and antiquated laws and ways, then you should move somewhere else. just ask me... i've moved several times for those very reasons. it gets easier after the second or third time.
to the end of my days my friend, I WILL DETECT freely wherever i have permission to go and whenever i choose to go. NOTHING will stop that. they could close all the parks and the public lands in virginia too, but that won't affect me one bit. there's plenty of other places to go to. millions of acres! now's the time to become more resourceful and start branching out. it's times like these that we see who will keep on gettin' up and those who wilt under a little pressure. when the going gets tough, the tough get going! yeah babe, that's the way it is. this is where your imagination and resourcefulness and persistence come into play. listen not to the would - be dictators, and don't give the fools who seek to lock us out an audience. I WILL DETECT! thanks, and hh,
i as well as many others fail to understand the official view that old and sometimes valuable coins and relics should be left to decompose in the ground. that is clearly the thinking of a greedy madman. i suppose some things aren't meant to be understood, but that's their position. i'm sure there's an ulterior motive too. i've always thought if you didn't like the area you live in, with their silly and antiquated laws and ways, then you should move somewhere else. just ask me... i've moved several times for those very reasons. it gets easier after the second or third time.
to the end of my days my friend, I WILL DETECT freely wherever i have permission to go and whenever i choose to go. NOTHING will stop that. they could close all the parks and the public lands in virginia too, but that won't affect me one bit. there's plenty of other places to go to. millions of acres! now's the time to become more resourceful and start branching out. it's times like these that we see who will keep on gettin' up and those who wilt under a little pressure. when the going gets tough, the tough get going! yeah babe, that's the way it is. this is where your imagination and resourcefulness and persistence come into play. listen not to the would - be dictators, and don't give the fools who seek to lock us out an audience. I WILL DETECT! thanks, and hh,
One belief that I have is that the morons who are spoiling it for everyone by not using good detecting practices do not take the time to read forums like this one. We care but thats because most of us are well read about this hobby and use forums like this one to teach and learn about it.