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A possible solution To save detecting from being banned.

JASONSPAZ1

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Fishing licenses..
A fishing license is a great mold to start a metal detecting license program issued from states, or towns.
Part of the reason their has been a surge of sites being banned is for two reasons.

1)Name brand detectors are being sold at retailers they where never sold at before. An example is the Garrett Ace 150's I have seen at my local Dicks sporting goods. They where right next to the paintball stuff. I don't know about Wal-Mart. But I bet it is a matter of time before they stock them.

2) The economy. two many people out there sitting at home "depressed" seeing the late night White's commercials, with get rich dreams floating in their heads.


As a result, you get rookies with no care or understanding for the detector codes of ethics. They walk into a public park with a garden trowel and they go to town on the turf.

I partially blame said manufactures. Look at those Whites commercials. Do they really honestly show the 'reality" of detecting. I think the manufactures should realize MASS CONSUMER purchases of their products is only going to hurt their beloved industry in the long run.

With a fishing license. You sign off accepting the bylaws. "Don't keep this type of fish under this size", "Don't use this type of bait in that type of water". "Don't keep fish from here" "don't fish for this type of fish at that time of year"
As a fisherman, as well as a detectorist. I am aware of my hobbies rules and am confident that as long as I follow them. I don't have to worry about being bait for a hungry game warden looking to issue a citation.

If we as detectorists can come up with a plan, an outline of laws and a clear code of ethics to present to state and local public officials. Maybe we can convince them that we will pay pay a fair fee for a detecting license. On the license can be a list of areas deemed state historic sites and considered off limits. And some more wording on particular off limit areas. That way we can still use our GPS's and research skills to still scout out spots that will most likely not be on the "do not detect" list of an issued detecting license. This way. Us "serious" detectorist don't have to worry as much as "rookies" screwing it up for the rest of us. And towns can see a detecting license as a way to earn them some $$
If a detecting license says you can detect on public parks. And a random drive by a productive looking park, results in you jumping out of your car to detect. You don't have to worry about some self righteous DPW worker telling you to split. You can show him your detecting license that does not mention this particular park as being off limits.
I know some of you may be cringing at paying for a detecting license. But the fact is my fellow hunters. Detecting and the luxury we have enjoyed is coming to an end as we know it. We need to act now or loose the hobby. Then we will be stuck ONLY! being able to detect our own yards.
Think about it. Offer them our willingness to pay a "fishing license" fee to keep our own version of dirt fishing.



what do you all think.

take care
JASONSPAZ1
 
I agree Jason, a possible good solution to the problem and
may well become a necessity. It would probably require
attending some State and local council meetings but
could be worth it to the hobby.
..W
 
My first impression is that it sounds good. But a lot more input and more opinion's would be needed. Not a bad idea though.
Good hunting,Gary
 
I've always said I would pay for permits. This will keep the $79.00 Wal-Mart buyers out of most areas. But the other thing that disturbs me is - You say Garrett 150's are being sold at Dicks?! I don't like that at all. I'm going to check that out.

OK, I just checked the Dick's website. You are right. They offer the full Garrett line. Also of course the Bounty hunters. Plus Detector pro. I personally think this is stepping on the small dealers feet? What do you say?
 
Sounds like a good idea. But, here in Ca.a fishing license is like $50. I don't think I want to pay anymore fees to this state than I REALLY need to. I don't think I would give them (officals) anymore ideas to get more money out of me and others. I think the bad points out weigh the good on this one. Just my 2 cents on the matter. HH Joe
 
The fact is we can preach and promote good detecting ethics all day. But in the end all it takes is a park superintendant or a politician to see someone making a mess detecting, and BOOM! detecting banned.
To the rest of the world detecting is not important. The people who make the rules don't care or understand our passion for the hobby. It is easier and ":safer" for them to just outright ban the hobby instead of investigating the benefits of a responsible detectorist. The fact is that metal detecting is being backed into a corner. I feel as though a license is the only way forward to protect our hobby. The goal is to be able to survive the following scenario.
Your out at a very very large public park detecting. Way on the other side you see someone else detecting. Then you see a town truck approach the other guy detecting and then you see him slum off the field. The truck approaches you and a town worker tells you to leave and he is sick of all the holes he is seeing. With a license you can say. "Well sir. I have dug 60 holes and I bet you cant find one of them. Oh and by the way here is my license the other guy did not have".

I am telling you detecting is in jeopardy. And NO ONE! wants more tax's. But you can either spend 40 dollars a year for a license or face no detecting on public land at all.
WE as detectorists have lingered out of the public eye for a long time. But times are changing and a sense of entitlement is surging in the people who make the rules.
We have to come up with a license program before they outright ban the hobby.

take care
Jasonspaz1
 
Although I am for far less govt., I could go along with a license and fee if I could detect on sites like state parks where in some states detecting on such is banned. HH jim tn
 
It would never fly. Rarely do any govt. agencies recoup their operating costs through fees. A possible exception is the post office (through postage stamp sales) and meter maids (through parking tickets). So the govt. would merely look at such a conception as another government expense (a new department/personell), and take the easy way out: to simply ban it. Mind you, they may have never given the matter thought, and may simply have not noticed, or ignored, an md'r they see. But the minute you present this type talk, you merely put it on their plate as something to think about, and THEN they start thinking about us, and how potentially destructive it is, etc....
 
you have made some good points, jason, but i have to disagree with the idea of paying a fee to detect. i don't think i'll be banned from detecting... i'm far too smart and resourceful for that. I WILL DETECT.

1. i feel it would cause more problems - again, we would have a cadre of yahoos who would absolutely refuse to get their license, or even have a license, and tear the place up anyway. still makes the rest of us look bad.

2. if we start to pay a licensing fee, then it won't be long - they'll raise the rates and price us out of our own hobby. it's inevitable.

3. it would turn some of the good guys bad. lots of trespassing and night hunting will be going on. you think it's bad now....

4. it's been my personal experience that if you don't metal detect, then you have no idea about what we do, or how it feels to pull a nice silver half out the ground or dig a nice civil war button. most people are just clueless, and don't want to know about what we do. there's an old saying... "never try to teach a hog to sing. you waste your time and you annoy the hog."

5. we really need to get the media to shut up and mind their own business. they take every little accident or mistake we might make and blow it completely out of proportion. it's gotten completely out of hand.

all of this is in my own humble opinion, sirs and ma'ams, but i think this is a problem much bigger than we are. there is no price on liability issues. some people can't be swayed no matter what you do or say. as for myself, i fully intend to keep detecting as long as i can. i've played by the rules for nearly thirty years, and have been honorable, and will continue to do so. if the day ever comes where i can't freely detect, then your're gonna see a bad gray ghost come out real quick. that wouldn't be good. I WILL DETECT! thanks, and hh!
 
n/t
 
My friends that hunt in Gennessee County have to purchase a permit to use in some of the parks.I live in another county and think these permits are a bad idea more taxes!!!! I have a solution for the problem of illiterate hunters who don't follow the code of metal detecting ethics(common sense don't destroy the park) fine them and kick them out of the park.We have too many regulations already.I disagree the manufacturers do an excellent job at promoting the code of ethics its in all their manuals.Further more as a tax payer$$$$$$$$$$$$ I have as much right in the park to pursue my hobby as the guy who brought his dog to relieve itself on the grass.
 
That could be our angle? Tell the mayor that detecting is sanitary. Before we cover out holes we'll put one smelly pile of dog crap in the hole then cover it up. This keeps others from stepping in those stink bombs and babies from eating it!
 
I wouldn't mind it if it worked. However, I don't think it would work. I think they would sell the permits then put such high restrictions on them, not allowing detecting here and there etc until the permit would not be worth the $$$ paid. They would still ban the places that we were paying to be able to hunt. Just like state parks and federal land is already banned when I see no reason at all for this. Other people get to do what they want in these parks but not us and a permit would not change that.
 
n/t
 
unfortunately the people that should care!.. DON'T care!..money is at the root of all that is evil!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
excellent thought!..has merit!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
most people ARE clueless!..unfortunately apathy and indifference is rampant in our society.

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
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