$ 750.00 What machine???

[desmond]

If I don't sell my beach hunter ID, any suggestions as a comlementary machine that might run me 750, new or used? I hunt in Lake Erie, lots of junk, bottle caps, metal etc. Or would I be smart to keep saving, and buy the Excal 2? Suggestions? Desmond in Buffalo

 

[tomcatpl]

the problem with laked that all that metal does not desolve like in the salt water i think a lot of guys will tell u that the xcal is the way to go

 

[desmond]

Thanks, that's kind of what I figured, Des

 

[tomcatpl]

my xcal 2 is in the shop headphones and the battery wire cracked a lot of guys had the same problem be very gentle if u get the new xcal i had 2 of the older ones never eny problem ...new one less than a year and both wires cracked

 

[goodmore]

I don't know how deep you are going, but the AT Pro does very well around iron. Better than the Excaliburs and Sovereigns when it comes to masking.

 

[desmond]

Thanks, I'll take a look at her. Des

 

[tomcatpl]

every one says the at pro it's great but still c them for sale after 10hours of use

 

[goodmore]

I read the forums and try to learn as much as I can. Like most I am always looking for a way to improve my detecting. My budget has become tighter so I try to make sure that I am buying as advertised. When the AT Pro came out it was proclaimed to be the greatest detector ever by some. A big turn off statement to most. While there are a few things that I just don't like about my AT Pro (Headphones, Display size, coil and headphone connections,) to name a few, I love the one feature that I mentioned above in the other post. The AT Pro separates out iron very very well. Better than any detector I have used before. Ask people like therover who used it on the Atlantic City beach. Even Kieth Southern who is selling the one with 10 hrs on it. (His spare). Depth is hard to compare in actual field usage. But when it comes to finding masked targets in hunted places the At Pro is a winner. And that is the reason I own one.

 

[BootyHunter]

I don't know how deep you are going, but the AT Pro does very well around iron. Better than the Excaliburs and Sovereigns when it comes to masking.

Really?? How did you come to that conclusion? Did you do a field test using both detectors, because that would be the only way to really tell. I'm not saying that what you are saying isn't true, but I just want to now what kind of test you did to come to this conclusion as I have and Excal II and have dug good targets and had iron targets in the same scoop, lots of times.

 

[goodmore]

From using them both. The recovery time alone is an issue with the Sovereigns and Excaliburs. I'm not going to start a brand war. I believe each detector has it's place. Each detector has it's strong suit. They compliment each other very well. And I call em like I see em.


And the original post was for a detector for 750.00 that can deal with the trash of Lake Erie. The At Pro can be had for 500.00. That is 250.00 cheaper than he offered to spend. For a detector that does exactly what he wants to do. You can never argue about the price of the AT Pro.

 

[BootyHunter]

From using them both. The recovery time alone is an issue with the Sovereigns and Excaliburs. I'm not going to start a brand war. I believe each detector has it's place. Each detector has it's strong suit. They compliment each other very well. And I call em like I see em.


And the original post was for a detector for 750.00 that can deal with the trash of Lake Erie. The At Pro can be had for 500.00. That is 250.00 cheaper than he offered to spend. For a detector that does exactly what he wants to do. You can never argue about the price of the AT Pro.

No I don't want a "brand war" either and I have no "brand loyalities". I am out to find all I can with whatever I can, I own Garrett machines too and really like them as well, but when you make a statement that the AT Pro is "better" at finding targets in and around iron I simply want to know how you came to that conclusion. So if you are only going on the fact that you have used both machines then that doesn't prove anything to me as conditions and things are always different, now if you had both detectors going over the same targets at the same time then that would hold some merit but otherwise the statement doesn't mean much to me. And to the original poster I am not trying to hijack your post, I don't own an AT Pro but I do own other Garrett machines and they are very good, however, I also own the Excal II and if you have $750 to spend I would say it comes down to if you ever intend to dive or go deeper than 10 feet. Also I can attest to the "fact" that the Excal will find treasure in the same hole with iron. Good luck to you with whatever you decide on.

 

[desmond]

Sounds good. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I guess it's up to me, buy AT PRO, or wait and get Excal 2 next year most likely. I do find some good treasure with the Beach Hunter, just know I'm missing some goodies. Des in Buffalo

 

[Bobbie]

and both are good about separating the iron out. The difference is that the Excal will null out the iron and you do not have a meter reference. The AT Pro will tell you by both sound and meter as to what is under the coil. I love my Excal for the water and would never give it up, but I am also in love with the AT Pro because of it's ability in trashy dry and wet sand.

 

[goodmore]

Very well put!

 

[BootyHunter]

and both are good about separating the iron out. The difference is that the Excal will null out the iron and you do not have a meter reference. The AT Pro will tell you by both sound and meter as to what is under the coil. I love my Excal for the water and would never give it up, but I am also in love with the AT Pro because of it's ability in trashy dry and wet sand.

Ok fair enough, but while it is true the Excal will null on iron, it can be in a complete null and will still sound off on a good target, so I still don't see the advantage and still no one has said how the AT Pro is "better" as far as masking goes. There is no masking with the Excal because it still picks up the good targets even in the null. To me the null just tells me that yes there is iron here, but I know it will still sound off on a ring or coin or whatever. I am not knocking the AT Pro, I've never used it just to clearify that point, only defending the Excal because of the statement that the AT Pro is somehow "better" around iron, thanks.

 

[kaptainkosmic]

and both are good about separating the iron out. The difference is that the Excal will null out the iron and you do not have a meter reference. The AT Pro will tell you by both sound and meter as to what is under the coil. I love my Excal for the water and would never give it up, but I am also in love with the AT Pro because of it's ability in trashy dry and wet sand.

Ok fair enough, but while it is true the Excal will null on iron, it can be in a complete null and will still sound off on a good target, so I still don't see the advantage and still no one has said how the AT Pro is "better" as far as masking goes. There is no masking with the Excal because it still picks up the good targets even in the null. To me the null just tells me that yes there is iron here, but I know it will still sound off on a ring or coin or whatever. I am not knocking the AT Pro, I've never used it just to clearify that point, only defending the Excal because of the statement that the AT Pro is somehow "better" around iron, thanks.

BH,

It is my understanding that the excal when nulled by iron is basically not functioning at all until it resets, I have a local detector shop that has shown me this effect by sweeping the excal coil over a nail with a coin target right next to it and it did not see the coin until the coil was swung in the opposite direction and saw the coin first then nulled. I hunt with a cz-20 and recently acquired an excal so I'm only trying to learn here, not pick a heated debate. Any info you care to share would be appreciated.

Steve

 

[goodmore]

The Sovereign and Excalibur do a fantastic job of identifying iron. When they null you can bet your bundle that iron is under the coil. But depending on the sweep speed and sweep direction the Minelabs mentioned will be a victim of masking a good target. The slow sweep and multi directional sweeping of a null can help with this. Some Excal users hunt in all metal and dig it all anyways. I use reverse discrimination on my Excal and just discrimination on my Sovereigns because the discrimination mode is deeper for me on the Sovereign series. But the AT Pro has a much faster recovery speed. It can be swept faster. It has the iron audio feature that helps to identify things better. And in the dirt it has opened up my old parks again because of the ability to deal with iron. Now Minelabs run smoother at the beach. They have less chirping from the junk. They go deeper. There is no need to worry about going from dry to wet and back again. No ground balancing issues at all. So I feel that they compliment each other very well and that is why I have them both. Anybody that has ever hunted a really nasty beach like Atlantic City knows that the Minlabs are almost in constant null. We compensated by going to a smaller coil. Now I feel I have another choice. If the Excalibur never masked good targets we would all be swinging man hole covers out there.

And I give a bunch of credit to this post

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?26,1439946

 

[desmond]

Why is the AP Pro so relatively cheap for such a good machine, half as much as Excal. Also, the AP Pro is good in parks as well? Desmond in Buffalo

 

[BootyHunter]

and both are good about separating the iron out. The difference is that the Excal will null out the iron and you do not have a meter reference. The AT Pro will tell you by both sound and meter as to what is under the coil. I love my Excal for the water and would never give it up, but I am also in love with the AT Pro because of it's ability in trashy dry and wet sand.

Ok fair enough, but while it is true the Excal will null on iron, it can be in a complete null and will still sound off on a good target, so I still don't see the advantage and still no one has said how the AT Pro is "better" as far as masking goes. There is no masking with the Excal because it still picks up the good targets even in the null. To me the null just tells me that yes there is iron here, but I know it will still sound off on a ring or coin or whatever. I am not knocking the AT Pro, I've never used it just to clearify that point, only defending the Excal because of the statement that the AT Pro is somehow "better" around iron, thanks.

BH,

It is my understanding that the excal when nulled by iron is basically not functioning at all until it resets, I have a local detector shop that has shown me this effect by sweeping the excal coil over a nail with a coin target right next to it and it did not see the coin until the coil was swung in the opposite direction and saw the coin first then nulled. I hunt with a cz-20 and recently acquired an excal so I'm only trying to learn here, not pick a heated debate. Any info you care to share would be appreciated.

Steve

I don't know if the owner was trying to sell you on something else or what, but air tests for BBS machines are not truly representative of real world conditions. Even when the Excal is in a null, it WILL sound off on a good target. I have hunted beaches with areas of the beach that were a constant null, yet when the coil goes over a good target in this nulled area, the detector sounds off. I don't know about seeing the coin first, maybe that is the case, and I am not wanting a heated debate and I am not disputing that the AT Pro is great, I haven't used one, but I have used the Excal and it has found good targets when in the null. Now maybe that was coil sweep direction in play but I don't know about other folks but I swing my coil BOTH directions when I am detecting. Left and Right, slow and low and it works for me. If the Excal is "not functioning" while in the null, then what good is the Iron Mask feature that is the machine is touted for? That is what the BBS technology is all about, different frequencies penetrating the ground and reporting back, but good luck to you and everyone else, buy and use whatever machine you want, they all find treasure and trash and none of them find it all. HH

 

[tomcatpl]

i use ma xcals in blach sand and it is a constant null and still when i go over a coin or ring under the black sand it sounds of like a canon


let me tell u what gonna happen u will go with the cheeper garrett after 2 months u will try to sell it to get an excalibur