I've been running this detector near the "P" setting on the S/B control up until a few days ago. I went to a clockwise rotation to about 3'oclock position, re.ground balanced and ran it that way for a few days, thinking that i was increasing the power, hence increasing the depth. I re-read the manual, and it says that going toward the BAD GND, and re balancing will give better depths. Exactly which way is it when either direction appears to be "friendly" to the soil I am working? martin
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5900 Di Pro SL S/B Adjustment Questions
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My soil apparently changed after all the rains, and the 5900 now has a variance from the norms in control settings from before. To get GB while set at "P" on the Sig Bal, is to back down on the GEB control to about 3+, it used to be near "P". NOW, I can still increase the Sat Bal more clockwise, and use the GEB levels hovering around 1.5 or less, and still get GB. Is there a linear range to have to heed in these backed off positions like the GEB nearing zero?
I can get GB both ways but I am pushing one control down toward the bottom end of it's scale. Martin
I can get GB both ways but I am pushing one control down toward the bottom end of it's scale. Martin
Hi 5900
The 5900 you have, has a ten turn ground balance adjustment. I would think that you would have lots of adjustment range left.
The threshold will do one of four things while ground balancing with a higher than "P" setting of the signal balance. #1 threshold will go null or silent (too negative) as coil gets closer to the ground. #2 threshold will get louder (too positive) as coil gets closer to the ground. #3 threshold stays the same as coil gets closer to the ground (spot on). And #4 threshold gets louder as coil gets closer to the ground and then goes silent as the coil is within an inch or two of the ground (fold-over) The first and second threshold responses are easy to fix with the ground balance adjustment, the #3 is just about perfect G/B . The #4 (fold-over) can only be adjusted by backing down the signal balance. Sounds difficult to do, but as you get more time in playing around with it, the easier it gets. HH
Randy
The 5900 you have, has a ten turn ground balance adjustment. I would think that you would have lots of adjustment range left.
The threshold will do one of four things while ground balancing with a higher than "P" setting of the signal balance. #1 threshold will go null or silent (too negative) as coil gets closer to the ground. #2 threshold will get louder (too positive) as coil gets closer to the ground. #3 threshold stays the same as coil gets closer to the ground (spot on). And #4 threshold gets louder as coil gets closer to the ground and then goes silent as the coil is within an inch or two of the ground (fold-over) The first and second threshold responses are easy to fix with the ground balance adjustment, the #3 is just about perfect G/B . The #4 (fold-over) can only be adjusted by backing down the signal balance. Sounds difficult to do, but as you get more time in playing around with it, the easier it gets. HH
Randy
Thanks a lot. I've been adjusting for minimal fold over using the GEB ganged potentiometer, but I'll work tomorrow with the SB a tad and maybe make it perfect. Those 4 responses you told about are exactly what I experience. I think I've got it basically understood now. The detector still finds stuff very well, but who knows if it's missing deep stuff. I may bury me some 9 and 12" quarters and dimes tomorrow. martin
Hey 5900
I got my 5900 Di Pro SL last year, so I'm not as proficient with it as our "in house" old timer Monte is. I learned a lot about the operation of my 5900 by going back through his posts from several years back. All I know is that the signal balance and ground balance is tied together in importance for best depth and stability. If you keep getting (fold over) with high signal balance setting and you can't adjust it out with the ten turn ground balance, just back off of the hot setting of the signal balance. I use the 5.3 Black Max coil on mine with a hot signal balance setting.... it gets great depth, and....with good target seperation. The 6 and 1/2 inch coil gets amasing depth for it's size when run with a higher than pre-set signal balance, also you can slow the sweep speed down some in the trash to get better target seperation. Not Tesoro slow, but slower than the White's 4 filter 'whip it' speed.
PS: You can find the author, Monte, He has been hanging out in the Teknetics forum lately. Just 'click' on his name and go back in time to some of his posts several years back. You will find some excellent posts about the White's XL Pro, 6000 Pro XL and the 5900 Di Pro SL. The information about signal balance and ground balance should apply to your 5900.
I got my 5900 Di Pro SL last year, so I'm not as proficient with it as our "in house" old timer Monte is. I learned a lot about the operation of my 5900 by going back through his posts from several years back. All I know is that the signal balance and ground balance is tied together in importance for best depth and stability. If you keep getting (fold over) with high signal balance setting and you can't adjust it out with the ten turn ground balance, just back off of the hot setting of the signal balance. I use the 5.3 Black Max coil on mine with a hot signal balance setting.... it gets great depth, and....with good target seperation. The 6 and 1/2 inch coil gets amasing depth for it's size when run with a higher than pre-set signal balance, also you can slow the sweep speed down some in the trash to get better target seperation. Not Tesoro slow, but slower than the White's 4 filter 'whip it' speed.
PS: You can find the author, Monte, He has been hanging out in the Teknetics forum lately. Just 'click' on his name and go back in time to some of his posts several years back. You will find some excellent posts about the White's XL Pro, 6000 Pro XL and the 5900 Di Pro SL. The information about signal balance and ground balance should apply to your 5900.
Thanks! Question: I buried a clad quarter today on purpose, flat, at 10-11 inches. I had the SB control turned up and it was ground balanced as well or better than usual, but I couldn't detect it in either sweep mode or in pinpoint. It this a simple matter of it being buried in fresh soil? Do you think I should have been able to see it with the 5900? I hear about these 5900 detectors finding deep stuff, is this too deep? Thanks, martin
That's too deep martin
I have an old coin garden I planted 15 years ago, when I 'planted' the coins I started at about 5 inches with the smaller coins and as the coins got bigger to quaters, halfs and dollars they got planted deeper. I was carefull to plant the coins while the soil was moist and I could take a sharpshooter and dig a nice 'unbroken plug. I think that is the key to a seasoned coin garden, because when the soil gets broken up and disturbed, the electro-magnetic field gets scattered looking through the disturbed soil. Kinda like the difference of looking through a shattered winshield and a clean and unbroken one. Anyway.......the silver dollars are buried over a foot deep and I can tag a signal on them with a 4 inch coil now.
Try this: bury a dime at 5 inches and a quarter at 8 inches and if you take the plug out in one piece and it gets a good soaking rain on it,you should easily pick those signals up.
AND Yes the 5900 will tag a naturally buried quarter at Ten inches if it is not covered in iron nails. In my coin garden I have a 8 inch silver dime buried and I can tag it with my little 5.3 BlackMax coil with some coil lift above the dime. I think your problem picking up the signal on the freshly buried quarter is the disturbed ground issue.
I have an old coin garden I planted 15 years ago, when I 'planted' the coins I started at about 5 inches with the smaller coins and as the coins got bigger to quaters, halfs and dollars they got planted deeper. I was carefull to plant the coins while the soil was moist and I could take a sharpshooter and dig a nice 'unbroken plug. I think that is the key to a seasoned coin garden, because when the soil gets broken up and disturbed, the electro-magnetic field gets scattered looking through the disturbed soil. Kinda like the difference of looking through a shattered winshield and a clean and unbroken one. Anyway.......the silver dollars are buried over a foot deep and I can tag a signal on them with a 4 inch coil now.
Try this: bury a dime at 5 inches and a quarter at 8 inches and if you take the plug out in one piece and it gets a good soaking rain on it,you should easily pick those signals up.
AND Yes the 5900 will tag a naturally buried quarter at Ten inches if it is not covered in iron nails. In my coin garden I have a 8 inch silver dime buried and I can tag it with my little 5.3 BlackMax coil with some coil lift above the dime. I think your problem picking up the signal on the freshly buried quarter is the disturbed ground issue.
I'm sure you are right. I considered soaking the filled hole with a slow leaking gallon bottle to see if it might "season." Not all that important in the end. I have a V3i showing up here tomorrow, and I'll be interested if by any chance it can see that 10" quarter. I have other shallower coins, nickel, dime penny, buried several feet apart from the quarter, all at 4" and buried for a few weeks. If the V3 hits the quarter, then I may wonder if the 5900 is getting puny on me. Thanks. BTW this is a huge jump from the 5900 to the V3i for this guy. It ought to be a fun day to say the very least, as long as UPS don't break the thing getting it here.. martin
Well Martin
I guess you will be posting at the V forum about how the V3i will not pick up a freshly buried quarter at ten inches. Good luck with the digital wonder, I hope it works for you.
I have had the XLT and DFX for quite awhile before I went analog, and I prefer the old analog machines better, don't sell your 5900 just yet.
Randy
I guess you will be posting at the V forum about how the V3i will not pick up a freshly buried quarter at ten inches. Good luck with the digital wonder, I hope it works for you.
I have had the XLT and DFX for quite awhile before I went analog, and I prefer the old analog machines better, don't sell your 5900 just yet.
Randy
I won't. It's been a surprise to me since reviving it after it's lengthy sabbatical. Plus it was a machine my mother bought at a garage sale maybe 20 years ago with one of us kids in mind, and was never used until just this year. I wish she'd been alive to see the fun it gives me, and she'd been thrilled with actually getting money out of the ground. She came from the Depression days. It has sentimental value if nothing else, and it's a good backup, plus I sorta know this machine real well now. Thanks Hombre. I sure hope I don't totally regret the V3 switch. I was hesitant about that one or the MXT Pro. What didn't you like about your XLT and DFX? martin
Howdy Martin
I bought my first detector in 1994, it was the new, just released XLT. I liked that detector real well, in fact, I used it for 6 years. Then in 2001, the new DFX came out, it proved to be a good detector also. It was more complicated than the XLT, and had more adjustments, and more chances of screwing up the performance. My wife bought a Tesoro Toltec ll in 1994, and we did not know much about detectors, since there was no internet detecting forum. But Darn it that Tesoro would outdo the XLT in the trash. We still have the Toltec, but the XLT and DFX are long gone.
Flash forward to 2007: I started reading Monte's posts on the finds forum, and I got the itch to try all of his favorite machines and the use of small coils. So now I have a 6000 Pro XL, 5900 Di Pro SL and an modified IDX Pro. I have all the coil options for them....4 inch...6 inch......8 inch and stock 950. I am covered for any detecting situation I might encounter.
Get acquanted with the V3i and I'm sure you will do alright with it. I would get the "V" rated 5.3 eclipse coil for it first thing. I really like the 6&1/2 inch coil for about all of my hunting needs. I think the learning period with the smaller coil would be shorter also. I say this because you have a chance of a 'cleaner' signal on co-located targets in a trashy environment
In sumation, Ilike my 6000/5900 as it does everything as well or better than my XLT or DFX. An added plus is not scroling through endless menues to adjust something. My two zincs.
Randy
I bought my first detector in 1994, it was the new, just released XLT. I liked that detector real well, in fact, I used it for 6 years. Then in 2001, the new DFX came out, it proved to be a good detector also. It was more complicated than the XLT, and had more adjustments, and more chances of screwing up the performance. My wife bought a Tesoro Toltec ll in 1994, and we did not know much about detectors, since there was no internet detecting forum. But Darn it that Tesoro would outdo the XLT in the trash. We still have the Toltec, but the XLT and DFX are long gone.
Flash forward to 2007: I started reading Monte's posts on the finds forum, and I got the itch to try all of his favorite machines and the use of small coils. So now I have a 6000 Pro XL, 5900 Di Pro SL and an modified IDX Pro. I have all the coil options for them....4 inch...6 inch......8 inch and stock 950. I am covered for any detecting situation I might encounter.
Get acquanted with the V3i and I'm sure you will do alright with it. I would get the "V" rated 5.3 eclipse coil for it first thing. I really like the 6&1/2 inch coil for about all of my hunting needs. I think the learning period with the smaller coil would be shorter also. I say this because you have a chance of a 'cleaner' signal on co-located targets in a trashy environment
In sumation, Ilike my 6000/5900 as it does everything as well or better than my XLT or DFX. An added plus is not scroling through endless menues to adjust something. My two zincs.
Randy
Randy,
I have a question for you about the 5900 and the assembly hardware where you attach the coil. Does yours have all non metal components, i.e. through screw and knurling nut? Mine's always had a metal screw and a knurling nut with a brass set of threads. The V3i is very specific about only using nylon parts. What does your 5900 use? I may need a factory assembly if my metalized components have been wrong all this time. martin
I have a question for you about the 5900 and the assembly hardware where you attach the coil. Does yours have all non metal components, i.e. through screw and knurling nut? Mine's always had a metal screw and a knurling nut with a brass set of threads. The V3i is very specific about only using nylon parts. What does your 5900 use? I may need a factory assembly if my metalized components have been wrong all this time. martin
I don't know Marten
I have stainless steel on some of my older Tesoro's .......but don't have experience with steel fasteners from White's. If you are curious about it, get some nylon fasteners from White's.
The stainless steel used as original equip. on Tesoros is non-magnetic and I can tell no difference between the stainless and nylon parts. Hope ya get it worked out. HH
Randy
I have stainless steel on some of my older Tesoro's .......but don't have experience with steel fasteners from White's. If you are curious about it, get some nylon fasteners from White's.
The stainless steel used as original equip. on Tesoros is non-magnetic and I can tell no difference between the stainless and nylon parts. Hope ya get it worked out. HH
Randy
Joel-Winnipeg
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Been following the conversation about the coil attachment, checked the ones on mine and its the nylon plastic one they use on the recent detectors.
