1st MD. Vaquero or Cibola?

[marcomo]

As I understand it, the high tone is especially helpful for people who have low frequency hearing loss.

If your hearing is OK, I guess it's just a matter of personal preference. I believe I read the high tone mod adds about $12-$15 to the price.

 

[chuck101]

As I understand it, the high tone is especially helpful for people who have low frequency hearing loss.

If your hearing is OK, I guess it's just a matter of personal preference. I believe I read the high tone mod adds about $12-$15 to the price.

I did not know of such a thing,you go marcomo,you coming back strong!,high tone low tone?. Now I'm jealous.

 

[BeerHunter]

When I bought my Vaquero I asked about the Hi Tone and was told by the dealer that it wasn't really any louder, just a higher tone. She said the older Tesoro's had a higher tone than the newer ones and some people had become accustomed to the higher tone which is why it is offered.

 

[chuck101]

HI TONE- LOW TONE could that be the problem say, joedirt had with why he could not figure out the low tone he was having out of his detector,and it sounded like no other tesoro he had,marcomo you are a genius!.Chuck.

 

[sqwaby]

I was where you are a year ago, I was worried about learning to GB and getting a machine with to many controls. Ended up getting the V, don't fret about GB its easy as can be, and when you travel to the coast or others areas beside central Tx you'll have a machine that will work. I have heard people on the MDing forums that bought a Cibola say "I wish I had gotten the Vaq", or " I'm getting the GB mod", but have I never heard anyone that bought a Vaq say " I wish I had gotten the Cibola", go with the V its a great machine.

 

[tvr]

I have read previously that some prefer the high tone and indicated they thought it was a little easier to determine changes in the edge of the beeps ... but I have only used a low tone version on my very similar Cibola ... so I am just relaying what I have read a couple of times and not personal experience comparing.
tvr

 

[John (Ma)]

I have a low tone on my V and get by well. However, on my Tejon you have the option to change tones and I leave it on the higher tone. As mentioned above, I find that it does break up better to allow for better tone break up. I also have a some hearing loss in my left ear that may contribute. Eather way, it is a matter of giving yourself time for learning your detector.

 

[harpsoft]

I'm in Central Texas as well.

I don't think you can make a bad choice with a Tesoro, but I'll second the Silver opinion.

I keep saying this at the sites I typically go to, that ground balancing is pretty easy, its finding a patch of ground that is "clean" is the problem and so becomes a real annoyance. Ground changes pretty quick, so if you are walking 100ft to find clean ground, I'm not sure what the point is. Besides ground balancing (not from my own testing) seems to only get you an extra 1". I personally don't think its _typically_ worth it, but that's me. Unless you know the site has turned up stuff and expect that there is deeper still... I've found my oldest stuff so far at about 4-5in (1880's) well within reach of a Silver. My detectors have found clad at 8", because of re-sodding. If you can figure out where the Vaquero "factory setting" would be, then you can I suppose turn it there so as to not worry about it. I like the Fishers highlight where on the dial they feel "default" would be.

You will find pinpointing easier with a round coil, but the Cibola/Vaquero aren't that hard to learn. The silver comes with a round coil. A whole bunch of folks will tell you to get a 5.75" coil... well there goes your depth, so what was the point of ground balancing (unless of course if you are using the large coil on not such a trashy site). I have a Sidewinder and a Compadre, and haven't felt the need to get a Cibola/Vaquero, but also I'm willing to part with my Sidewinder.

HH

 

[eek]

Jak,

My first MD was the Vaquero and it worked great, except at the beach...I could not get to the wet sand as it falsed a lot...I traded it for a fisher cz-70 and could not be
happier....I am not knocking the Tesoro, it just did not work where I wanted, and the cz-70 works great everywhere...Check out the cz formum... I don't know where
you are going to hunt, but think about it....Don't do like I did and buy the wrong one...If you are going to dry land hunt only the V is great..

Good luck and happy MDing..

eek

 

[Willee - Texas]

Get a grip,i sold a Sovereign the VQ is way better than any thing Chucky.[/i]

I would disagree with you about that ... but different strokes for different folks ... and it is all good ...

 

[jak61]

I own both the Vaquero and Cibola. Both are awesome machines. If I were to choose, it would probably be the V just because of the manual GB. But here in southern Illinois it is not an issue for me to use either machine which I do on a regular basis. Both perform very well for me. Good luck with the V.

 

[amcjavelin]

Well as far as the beach is concerned with the vaq i've not experienced this problem at all but this is fresh water too soo not sure when you talk about the beach if its fresh water or salt but anyways the beaches that i've hunted have very ironized deposits which will turn the water bright orange and i've not experienced any problems with mine doing this but i believe that every machine has a personality of it's own and it's just a matter of adjustment of the components inside, probably during manufacturing process there's a standard of universalness if you want to call it that it must pass before it's shipped off, do you folks understand what i'm getting at here? maybe i'm off in left field but that's my theory of things, just have a belief that not every model is built identical inside.

 

[tvr]

With respect to falsing on the beach ... on salt water beaches with the Cibola yes, where the wet to dry sand transition is and as the suds wash over the coil if you are detecting the water's edge. With the Tejon that is still true a little bit too but not nearly as bad since I can ground balance it. Can hunt the wet sand areas but with the Cibola I had to turn the sensitivity down quite a bit. With the Tejon, thus I presume the Vaquero too with it's ground balance, could still run sensitivity up fairly high.

In fresh water beach areas I had no problem with the Cibola and I found it deep in the dry sand areas of the salt water beaches ... just at a handicap in the wet salt areas.
tvr

 

[comcat]

Another newbie here. I have spent countless hours doing research in this forum and others, and I have narrowed my search for my first MD to either the Cibola or the Vaquero. I really appreciate those of you who contribute your experiences and opinions. I am very fortunate. Also to the sponsors here, one of whom I will certainly trade with as my way of supporting this site.

My experience so far is 1 day out with a Garrett 1350. I was leaning towards a Tesoro before that day, and now I am certain of it. I did not enjoy the 1350 but tribute that solely to user inexperience. It has great reviews, but I was glad that I got to experience it before buying one. Though it has a wonderful display, I, like many of you, found myself following the audio alerts almost exclusively and disregarding the display.

I am trying to decide between the Cibola and the Vaquero. I seem to find confusing and conflicting views on the V. Some say the ground balancing is a snap and essential. Others say it is a hassle, constantly needing to reset it. I live in central Texas with decent soil. Our mineral deposits consist primarily of granite gravel which may be a factor here. I would like to step up to the V if it is clearly a better machine. "Better" meaning a significant success rate increase over the Cibola and at the same time relatively easy to use once I become familiar with it. Which one would you recommend? And any thoughts you may have on non-stock search coils available would also be helpful.

A penny for your thoughts please. hiya jak,,listen just get the cibola,,the auto keeps you right all the time,,yeah there could be an advantage in manual balancing,,but just buy a cibola fitted with the 12 x 10 d.d.coil,,its an extra $40 instead of the stock coil but it handles bad ground real good so you dont need a vachero,,,,rgds ,,comcat

Jak