Hey Everybody! I just came out of the ocean and was lucky enough to find this lovely little 14k chain. It came as a total surprise as I had been told by several CZ users that it did not pick up chains to well. Well....I am living proof that this thing will hear chains. This target came out of a very trashy area that I don't usually take my excal to. I wanted to try and learn about this machines discrimination settings. I have to say I like the Cz's discrimination a little better than the Minelabs. For you CZ users who are interested in what it sounded like, I had my disc set to 2 to rule out the majority of the pull tabs and bottle caps and the tone was a very faint but solid medium. Thanks for looking and HH!
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14K Chain....I think I love this CZ
- Thread starter Dig
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plymouthian12
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looks like your learning that new machine great job hh
You've been doing good with that CZ. One of the best saltwater hunting machine I ever used was the CZ6a, sure wish I had it back. A couple of weeks ago, I found a nice silver cross with my Excal II but couldn't find the chain, maybe it wasn't lost. Borrowed a silve chain and ran it across the coil, very faint signal, my XT705 picks it up alot stronger. HH John
OldBeechnut
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Very Nice chain.......Dig, I got a CZ20 about 4 months ago, had it out 3 times now and came home with 2 nice rings. I am amazed because I thought the excal was king, but I seeing now there are several other great detectors out there. I've been hunting in almetal with the cz, checking the targets in discriminate, {sounds just like the same style I use with the excal} . Just like the excal in AM/PP the CZ20 manual states
In the AUTOTUNE position,
the CZ-20 is in an all-metal mode. In this mode, the
CZ-20 has a slightly wider and deeper search pattern;
however, it lacks the ability to discriminate or identify
and reject targets.
John will be lucky if you give back the CZ..........
In the AUTOTUNE position,
the CZ-20 is in an all-metal mode. In this mode, the
CZ-20 has a slightly wider and deeper search pattern;
however, it lacks the ability to discriminate or identify
and reject targets.
John will be lucky if you give back the CZ..........
John (west central FL)
New member
Some people say Autotune is hotter and others say it's not. I personally don't think there is any difference. At least with the unit I have. I have reason to believe that it's only the way the detector is reporting the target to the user and not any difference in sensitivity.
Here is a test you can do with a CZ-6a or CZ-5, which both have target ID meters. Put the detector in Autotune, pass a zinc cent over the coil, then before the detector has a chance to detect another target, switch it out of Autotune and onto the number 0 setting. The meter will jump to the zinc cent zone. You can repeat this with other types of targets such as foil, iron, pull tabs, nickels, etc. and the meter will always ID the target correctly after it has been detected in the so-called "all metal" Autotune mode. This tells me that the detector is still in the ID mode when set on Autotune and the only difference is the way the audio signal is produced. If this is true then how can the search pattern be "wider and deeper"?
Here is a test you can do with a CZ-6a or CZ-5, which both have target ID meters. Put the detector in Autotune, pass a zinc cent over the coil, then before the detector has a chance to detect another target, switch it out of Autotune and onto the number 0 setting. The meter will jump to the zinc cent zone. You can repeat this with other types of targets such as foil, iron, pull tabs, nickels, etc. and the meter will always ID the target correctly after it has been detected in the so-called "all metal" Autotune mode. This tells me that the detector is still in the ID mode when set on Autotune and the only difference is the way the audio signal is produced. If this is true then how can the search pattern be "wider and deeper"?
Chi Town Bruce
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Neil
Well-known member
Hey Dig very nice chain. Looks to more beefy than little though, I bet your excal will hit that also as well as alot of other machines.
CZs are great machines, more sensitive to gold when not in the salt mode which if I remember right the CZ20s always are. I never cared for the lack of available coils and that they are all concentrics, I think they mask to much stuff for that reason.
The reference to a machine not hitting chains is the on the thinner chains. Ive got several of those my excal wont hit that I found with a Tiger Shark but Ive got several Ive also found with my Sov(same as excal as you probably know) that are a little larger and the Sov hits quite well.
CZs are great machines, more sensitive to gold when not in the salt mode which if I remember right the CZ20s always are. I never cared for the lack of available coils and that they are all concentrics, I think they mask to much stuff for that reason.
The reference to a machine not hitting chains is the on the thinner chains. Ive got several of those my excal wont hit that I found with a Tiger Shark but Ive got several Ive also found with my Sov(same as excal as you probably know) that are a little larger and the Sov hits quite well.
First off, nice chain Dig. Glad to see the CZ sniffed out a chain for you.
The CZ ( at least all of mine) may not be deeper in autotune, but I think it is 'wider' in the sense that the threshold will start to change when the coil gets close to a target sooner/quicker than in discriminate mode.
Check out a nickel or dime in auto tune and then discriminate mode. In auto tune, the threshold warble will start to change sooner and start to detect the coin sooner from the side of the coil than in discriminate mode. In discriminate mode, the coin doesn't get detected that early until it is closeer/under the coil.
Don't know about the depth because on my CZ's, I have always found discriminate mode to be a bit deeper. Then again, I never really listened very, very closely to the threshold in autotune since I mainly hunt in discriminate mode anyway.
Autotune is a great mode to use when beach hunting and there aren't a lot of targets. You can sweep faster and cover more area. Once you start to hit some pockets of targets, switch over to discriminate mode and slow down.
JC
The CZ ( at least all of mine) may not be deeper in autotune, but I think it is 'wider' in the sense that the threshold will start to change when the coil gets close to a target sooner/quicker than in discriminate mode.
Check out a nickel or dime in auto tune and then discriminate mode. In auto tune, the threshold warble will start to change sooner and start to detect the coin sooner from the side of the coil than in discriminate mode. In discriminate mode, the coin doesn't get detected that early until it is closeer/under the coil.
Don't know about the depth because on my CZ's, I have always found discriminate mode to be a bit deeper. Then again, I never really listened very, very closely to the threshold in autotune since I mainly hunt in discriminate mode anyway.
Autotune is a great mode to use when beach hunting and there aren't a lot of targets. You can sweep faster and cover more area. Once you start to hit some pockets of targets, switch over to discriminate mode and slow down.
JC
grumpyolman
New member
Glad to see the CZ nabbed that chain Dig. I had my 21 laying on a bench and, with the chain hanging down straight, swept it across the coil. It's a 25" chain made it Italy that is listed online for $300. The CZ might just as well been turned off. It didn't have a clue there was anything there. Not so with the Tiger Shark.
I used the CZ for a short evening hunt in a lake and got to know the machine a little better. I definitely like the 3 tones and the manual ground balance. It ain't automatic and you gotta check the balance every now and then but that way you are sure it's spot on. I hunted again the next morning for about 3 hours in a swim beach that should have had something and used the TS. That's the same beach I found the chain in last year so I used the TS. I found one ring that is probably an antique but the metal took a beating from the water. It's not silver or gold and has a 'yellowish' ugly stone in it. That and 3 coins is it for that trip. Had a friend using a TS and SCUBA in the same place and he found about what I found. There was some kind of light scum on the bottom and walking and swinging the detector left a trail where we hunted. We didn't grid search it but when we finished, the majority of the area had been hit by one or the other.
I am glad I got the CZ. Make sense to have fun learning a new machine and who knows, it may be the primary machine somewhere down the road...jim
I used the CZ for a short evening hunt in a lake and got to know the machine a little better. I definitely like the 3 tones and the manual ground balance. It ain't automatic and you gotta check the balance every now and then but that way you are sure it's spot on. I hunted again the next morning for about 3 hours in a swim beach that should have had something and used the TS. That's the same beach I found the chain in last year so I used the TS. I found one ring that is probably an antique but the metal took a beating from the water. It's not silver or gold and has a 'yellowish' ugly stone in it. That and 3 coins is it for that trip. Had a friend using a TS and SCUBA in the same place and he found about what I found. There was some kind of light scum on the bottom and walking and swinging the detector left a trail where we hunted. We didn't grid search it but when we finished, the majority of the area had been hit by one or the other.
I am glad I got the CZ. Make sense to have fun learning a new machine and who knows, it may be the primary machine somewhere down the road...jim
John (west central FL)
New member
I haven't run depth test in mineralized ground but I have noticed that the CZ will misidentify targets. It helps to have the ground balance adjusted accurately but it will still ID some deep targets as iron in highly mineralized ground. I noticed this up in the Adirondacks of NY where there is a lot of black sand present in the lakes. In those conditions it's best not to run the discrimination above 0 and dig any deep iron signals. This also applies to the Excalibur. At some locations in the Adirondacks my Excalibur will null out on a coin buried only three inches. Better to put it in all metal and dig all signals.
Chi Town Bruce
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GENE EDWARDS
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That's right Dig ole buddy, cost me some more money to buy a CZ. Very nice chain. keepem' coming in, Gene