Happy_Hour
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I own the 1270, 1236X2 and CZ 70 Pro. All three get equal time in the playground. Why do I need the F75. 
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1270--CZ70--1236X2 And The F75 Question.
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MarkCZ
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Well, I would say you don't really need the F75.
If you have a lot of time running the 1270 your deep enough in the ground for sure!
If you want to set one up for a coin hunter then the CZ-70 will do a really good job at that!
But if you have a $1,000.00 bucks burning a hole in your pocket then I guess all you need is a way to justify buying a new detector, like~
I need the latest greatest technology because I'm probably leaving good finds behind!
I'll have a new machine with a new warranty!
I have to keep up with the Jone's!
I'll be able to hunt my old favorite hunting spots and it will be like they were NEVER hunted! (WoW) (hand fulls of Silver and gold)
ect.. ect......
Mark
If you have a lot of time running the 1270 your deep enough in the ground for sure!
If you want to set one up for a coin hunter then the CZ-70 will do a really good job at that!
But if you have a $1,000.00 bucks burning a hole in your pocket then I guess all you need is a way to justify buying a new detector, like~
I need the latest greatest technology because I'm probably leaving good finds behind!
I'll have a new machine with a new warranty!
I have to keep up with the Jone's!
I'll be able to hunt my old favorite hunting spots and it will be like they were NEVER hunted! (WoW) (hand fulls of Silver and gold)
ect.. ect......
Mark
Well depending on your soil type , if getting a F75 get a LTD or SE with boost mode.
But if i were you i would look at the new GB/G2 for half the price.
Not as deep as the F75 but very stable ,great ID and easy to use and great in iron.
One edge for the F series machines is a DD coil that the CZs never had.
But if i were you i would look at the new GB/G2 for half the price.
Not as deep as the F75 but very stable ,great ID and easy to use and great in iron.
One edge for the F series machines is a DD coil that the CZs never had.
Why do you need the 1236X? The 1270? Or in turn any one of those machines if you have the others?
Most likely because you use them to their strengths in a variety of sites. As gmanlight states the DD coil option opens up new avenues of detection for you as each of those rigs will.
I have years of md'ing experience in park ground scrapes, parkway digs and sidewalk demo work. With the three machines you are now using you are leaving a lot of coins undetected in many grounds where there are decades or better of habitual picnic or other use. Getting an F75 won't remedy that but it will allow you to gain a little more of that loot left behind as I've done with my F70.
With the 5" DD coil I have found that I can identify multiple targets stacked vertically within a few inches of the surface. Yeah, that rusty steel bottlecap signal is a killer, unless there's a wheatie or a buff under it another inch or so.
Most likely because you use them to their strengths in a variety of sites. As gmanlight states the DD coil option opens up new avenues of detection for you as each of those rigs will.
I have years of md'ing experience in park ground scrapes, parkway digs and sidewalk demo work. With the three machines you are now using you are leaving a lot of coins undetected in many grounds where there are decades or better of habitual picnic or other use. Getting an F75 won't remedy that but it will allow you to gain a little more of that loot left behind as I've done with my F70.
With the 5" DD coil I have found that I can identify multiple targets stacked vertically within a few inches of the surface. Yeah, that rusty steel bottlecap signal is a killer, unless there's a wheatie or a buff under it another inch or so.
MarkCZ said:
I love old machines BUT! if I really thought I never needed a more modern machine like the F75 and my 10 or 20 year old will do the same I'd be watching black and white TV.
Or driving a 1980 U-Go and telling myself I don't need or want one because mine does all that! Metal Detectors are like everything else, I'm not saying buy one every year but a 1980 VLF machine is no match for newer if you learn it. I know there are people out there that have dollar range to what they buy, but look at the F-2. A entry level detector that has older machines running for cover.If you want one buy one, I never worry about it paying for itself because most detectors never will. But what it you time worth to you and if it makes your hunting experience that much better than its worth it. If you are happy with what you have don't worry about it because there are people buying used 80 models everyday. I think most MDers are not worry about "keeping up with the jones" or hunt my old favorite hunting spots and it will be like they were NEVER hunted! This one is more true than you know I seen people that learned their detectors and hunted "hunted out sites" and recovered nice coins left behind, don't believe me just check out some youtube videos on some of the city parks that keep getting hunted over and over. Or I guess maybe the "Coin Fairy" used their magical powers to re-seed the silver and wheats back in that hunted out spot.
Just Kidding!!! and don't get mad. It comes down to if you want one get one, if your happy with what your using your already there. But don't let someone justify why you shouldn't because they don't want one or can't get one, it happens all the time with I don't want to spend that much or my wife would kill me "Just my honest opinion" Your missing out.
MarkCZ
Well-known member
movingon said:I love old machines BUT! if I really thought I never needed a more modern machine like the F75 and my 10 or 20 year old will do the same I'd be watching black and white TV.
If you want one buy one, I never worry about it paying for itself because most detectors never will. But what it you time worth to you and if it makes your hunting experience that much better than its worth it. If you are happy with what you have don't worry about it because there are people buying used 80 models everyday. I think most MDers are not worry about "keeping up with the jones" or hunt my old favorite hunting spots and it will be like they were NEVER hunted! This one is more true than you know I seen people that learned their detectors and hunted "hunted out sites" and recovered nice coins left behind, don't believe me just check out some youtube videos on some of the city parks that keep getting hunted over and over. Or I guess maybe the "Coin Fairy" used their magical powers to re-seed the silver and wheats back in that hunted out spot.
Good Lord did you ever miss the point! LOL!
If you have a 1978 Jetco and really like metal detecting then I would say for sure buy you something from at lest the last couple of decades. My first detector I bought was a new Whites 5000/D series 2, then into the Teknetics 9000/B to a Mark-I. So I've been around the block a couple of times.
One thing I hate is those recycled magazine articles where they test this years model and go back in what they know is a pounded out site and fine hands fulls of silver and they do it year after year! The article is the same print other than they edited the detector model and a couple of pictures.
I love it when they write about how much DEEPER this years model is as compared to last years, they always gain two to four inches LOL! BS! In the early 80's we were at a good 4" to 5" so if you took the lower number 2" each year that would be 30 years times 2" so we should be at an easy 60" on a clad dime.
My mid 80's Teknetic's 9000/B was still blowing away some of the high end detectors of the mid 90's. Now my mid 80's 8500 is fallen a little short for sure of the new stuff, but still better than my F2.
My brother WV62 (forum user name) has a F75 and he is still leaning towards the Fisher 1266x or his 1270x.
And for those hunted out sites, many times you can go back to a site with the same detector and change your search pattern and find more goodies, often times you can go back in at night when the solar energy dissipates and really clean up. You may have hunted the area in the summer, well try it again in the fall and see if it don't pay off again.
My point in my first post was that with the detectors the title poster has, if he has the time in running them he can pretty well clean out an area, now with the ones he has he may have to dig a little more junk, but he isn't living in the dark ages of the "Jetco's" either. So the time warp you gave of 1980 to 2011 was an over-kill.
Now if I was going to recommend to him a higher end detector it wouldn't be because its something I own, nor something I have ever own, I would say if the poster has the money, wants something higher end to go and buy a MineLabs E-Trac (I know this is a fisher forum, sorry).
Whats funny is with a lot of the NEWER high end stuff people have major problems with screw caps LOL! a fast sweep over them with my Teknetics 8500 and the audio falls apart, Boy we have come a long way baby. The 8500 doesn't run really deep in discrimination mode, but it ID's as far as it detects, which is about as deep as any modern VLF detector can ID, now I can switch to GEB-MAX (all metal) and it get pretty darn deep.
The F75 has a lot of power, but it doesn't seem to ID worth a hoot on targets when they get deep? so if your in an older area with deep stuff the ID isn't much use, your back to audio only?? And I keep seeing "if its an iffy sound Dig It" the detectors he has will do that pretty darn good. The F75 is a single frequency VLF detector, the OLDER Fisher's were dual frequency, first texas killed that, White's is a three frequency, but still a VLF machine.
So, if a person has some extra cash laying around and has an itch for a new detector then by all means by one! but at a thousand plus dollars be careful about your choice. They are other concepts out there newer than VLF detectors, I mean its just a refined 80's technology, why not go for something like FBS technology, at lest its from the 20th centry.
The reason I don't buy a new FBS detector is because I can't justify putting more money into ONE detector than the car I drive is worth, and the way my life is setup I don't get that much time to hunt. So, I've been able to stay a few years behind the latest greatest stuff because of the used detector market. And besides, if I'm hunting with a 5 or 6 year on detector, I'm just cleaning the trash out of your way so you can come back and get all the good stuff, right?
Mark
MarkCZ said:
Duh! I think not.... I read in your post you do not agree with people buying new detectors for every reason but they want one. And you for some reason do not want one. What ever the reason does not matter to me, maybe you can't get permission
but its not the old detectors are not as good. I have nothing against them as you can see by my current detectors but my F-75 out does my 2000 models that were never top of the line detectors. If it were so I would only ever bought one detector and still have it. And no we do not have detectors that detect coins 60". So that logic is in left field, the etrac is a fine machine as is the F-75 is to its fans. But if everyone liked the same thing we all would buy one brand of car. I know very well what I'm talking about with detectors and the VLF circuit. Its not as much how deep as it is identifying the target and how that is achieved. So next time don't come off with a "Good Lord" as you have with a few of your post like your an authority.HH Phil
WV62
Well-known member
movingon said:MarkCZ said:
Duh! I think not.... I read in your post you do not agree with people buying new detectors for every reason but they want one. And you for some reason do not want one. What ever the reason does not matter to me, maybe you can't get permission
HH Phil
Just don't understant why the attack on MarkCZ, he only gave an opinion.
Ron In WV and yes I am the brother of MarkCZ.
Happy_Hour
New member
I have no problem finding coins at good depth and the reason I have these machines plus others is because I can afford to buy them. I am a relic hunter at heart and looking for coins and working tot lots does not appeal to me. I enjoying digging holes not using a coin probe and pin pointer.ElginTim said:
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Happy_Hour said:I own the 1270, 1236X2 and CZ 70 Pro. All three get equal time in the playground. [size=medium]Why do I need the F75[/size].
I don't think I have ever used the term "Good Lord" in a post in this forum before!
My comment "Well, I would say you don't really need the F75". was based on the poster stating "Why do I need the F75" (see above quote)
How many people REALLY need a metal detector at all? (NEED)
You gave some reason's as to why he needs a new one, fine!
I gave some reason's why he may not really NEED one!
And now he has stated he is a relic hunter, so toss that fancy ID circuit and meter out the window! (I think the 1270 would make one FINE relic machine)
For Relic hunting he may have even less of a need for the F75 (not that he can't go and buy one if he wants)
You even missed my comment about 60" deep, if the writers of those treasure hunting stories would just look back at what they wrote last year they would see just how stupid it looks to keep adding two inches to last year claims! if that was true would have to hunt with posthole diggers! In selling detectors there is some truth, but there is also a lot of marketing hype!
Mark
"I have no problem finding coins at good depth and the reason I have these machines plus others is because I can afford to buy them. I am a relic hunter at heart and looking for coins and working tot lots does not appeal to me. I enjoying digging holes not using a coin probe and pin pointer."
Well just to follow the absurdity along in proper fashion, when you do get an F75, as you must to be appreciated in some circles, then you will be well equipped to take on those totlots. And Lord knows you can afford it. But you'll need a better shovel.
Now if you were to go back to the first post that you made and add the qualifier, "I am not looking for coins or hunting totlots" would or should that make a difference? I dunno, I'm just a lil' ole generic metal detectorist here looking for some condescension. Happy hunting!
Well just to follow the absurdity along in proper fashion, when you do get an F75, as you must to be appreciated in some circles, then you will be well equipped to take on those totlots. And Lord knows you can afford it. But you'll need a better shovel.
Now if you were to go back to the first post that you made and add the qualifier, "I am not looking for coins or hunting totlots" would or should that make a difference? I dunno, I'm just a lil' ole generic metal detectorist here looking for some condescension. Happy hunting!
Happy_Hour
New member
You are right...MarkCZ said:
Happy_Hour
New member
...Yes sir,I should have posted the words relic hunter,but I assumed you Fisher users knew that these are low KhZ machines used for relic hunting and I just wanted to know if the F75 could keep up with these deep seekers.I will be careful next time in my wording...ElginTim said:
Thanks for that clarity HH! I've been using the F70 for a couple years now.
I've been using this old 1235X of mine for coin hunting and totlot hunting and seeded hunt competitions for many years though was unaware it was designed for relic hunting. Just figured the freq. shift gave me the ability to hunt around others using the same machine in close proximity more easily. Among all my machines past and present, I've found the most gold jewelry with it, hands down. But then I use it the most at the sites with highest gold potential in town.
Been using the CZ's since I got that CZ5 when it first hit the streets. Yeah I've gotten my share of ice tongs, axe heads and wedges, buckles and buttons but it's real value to me is pulling coins from great depths. On my second CZ5 now but I've also got a CZ20 and it's done well in the water around here, at comp hunts and in all sorts of environments. Had a CZ7 for ten years also until it died out. It, like all of my machines to date, paid for itself both in real monetary terms and pure enjoyment.
Being a Fisher user, I'd assumed you knew these rigs were being used wrongly for years by guys like me therefore my misinterpretation of your intent begs the question. Now that I have an F70, do I really need any of those old relic machines? Hmmmm....
Happy hunting!
I've been using this old 1235X of mine for coin hunting and totlot hunting and seeded hunt competitions for many years though was unaware it was designed for relic hunting. Just figured the freq. shift gave me the ability to hunt around others using the same machine in close proximity more easily. Among all my machines past and present, I've found the most gold jewelry with it, hands down. But then I use it the most at the sites with highest gold potential in town.
Been using the CZ's since I got that CZ5 when it first hit the streets. Yeah I've gotten my share of ice tongs, axe heads and wedges, buckles and buttons but it's real value to me is pulling coins from great depths. On my second CZ5 now but I've also got a CZ20 and it's done well in the water around here, at comp hunts and in all sorts of environments. Had a CZ7 for ten years also until it died out. It, like all of my machines to date, paid for itself both in real monetary terms and pure enjoyment.
Being a Fisher user, I'd assumed you knew these rigs were being used wrongly for years by guys like me therefore my misinterpretation of your intent begs the question. Now that I have an F70, do I really need any of those old relic machines? Hmmmm....
Happy hunting!
Happy_Hour
New member
Yes you do and you know you do. I would be willing to say that you have more then 3 Fishers and the F70 is just another feather in your cap. TElginTim said:
he F70 can't do it all. That is why you still use the 1235X and others...I never really thought of it as firing the first shot, I was defending a persons trying to decide to buy a f75 or keep what he had. I see too many post ( I read more than I post but there is nothing wrong with lurking around a forum) where some wants advice about buying and someone else try to talk them out of buying simply because they will not buy themselves. As he said he does not care about coin hunting and only relics. Most detectors are find since the targets tend to be larger, not always with buttons and bullets but I do not hunt relic often. As I said I know circuits and the lower kHz do best for silver and high conductive metals, mid range like the 1236 transmitter frequency 5.5 kHz - 5.9 kHz and a slow motion discrimination makes that a good freq for relic and the high kHz for gold detectors. He has a good relic machine BUT if he wanted a f75 then he may gain a edge over what he has just because of the VDI and modern circuity. But and this should be BUT if he is happy with what he has that is fine and if he wants a new detector that is fine also. I always felt you can never have too many detectors, it like gold clubs you have to have a bag full but it don't take 14 detectors like clubs in a golf bag and it depends on what your looking for.
Happy Hunting, Phil
Happy Hunting, Phil