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Xterra 50/ versus 70
- Thread starter Elton
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I had a X50 and I'm not sure it ground balanced and if it did it was right at the end of it's range. I don't have a problem ground balancing the X70. Also auto GBing and tracking for GBing is nice. The smaller discrimination segments gives better control of discrimination. The prospecting mode seems to give greater depth for relic hunting.
The X-50 and X-70 have a lot of similarities. If you were to airtest both models, with the factory default settings, using the same coil on each detector, they would detect to the same distance and have equal stability. Actually, I've done that exact test dozens of times. And all three models of X-Terras are capable of detecting at the same depth, and with the same stability. I found more variance in coils than in detector models. But that is in the air and we don't hunt in the air. So having a precise settings for the various "features" is important when maximizing the potential of each detector.
The GB setting of the X-30 is factory preset. The GB settings of the X-50 range from 0 - 20, with 6 being the factory default. The X-70 ranges from 1 - 90, with 27 as a default. If you do the math, 6 is to 27 as 20 is to 90. So, the factory default GB of each model is proportional to the other. In other words, I believe the maximum and minimum are virtually the same with both models. However, the X-70 has the potential to be Ground Balanced much more precisely than the X-50. Similarly, the sensitivity of the X-70 has half again more possible settings than the X-50. And again, I think the maximum and minimum settings are virtually the same. However, just as with the GB settings, having a more "fine tuned" Sensitivity setting will allow the user to fine-tune their detector to the coil as well as the soil.
But GB and Sensitivity settings aside, there are quite a few reasons I grab the X-70 for most of my hunts. Personally, I like having a threshold tone so I know that my detector is ready to respond to even the smallest (or deepest) target. Without a threshold, or having your threshold set to silent search, how do you know that the target you have passed over will make a signal loud enough to overcome the silence? And if I decide to hunt in a Pattern mode, the threshold will null out over a rejected target. I won't dig it but hearing it null out makes me aware that there are targets passing under the coil. If I am hunting an open area and wanting to know where activity took place. Nulling is a good indicator.
I like having 2 digit notch segments. This allows me to better determine the target identity prior to digging the hole. 4-digit segments on the X-30, and 3 digit notch segments on the X-50 provide a lot of valuable information. But having 2 digit notch segments is like having twice the discrimination "opportunities" as with the X-30. And 50% more than the X-50. One place I hunt is littered with 12 ga. shotgun shell casings. They bounce around between 16 and 22 on my X-70. (four notch segments) On the X-30, they bounce between 16 and 20. (one notch segment) On the X-50, they bounce between 18 and 21. (two notch segments) I know a few have disagreed with one of my early posts about coin hunting with the X-Terra. But I still have not dug a US coin that remained in a consistent location, provided a consistent audio tone, and bounced more than 2 notch segments. If I were using the X-30 or X-50 in the example I gave with the shotgun shell casings, I would be digging a lot of them. But with the X-70 and two digit notch segments, I know what they are and pass them up. And I don't worry about missing an IH cent as the lowest reading I have found with an IH cent with any of the three X-Terra models is a 24
.
I like the Prospecting mode. I don't hunt gold, but I use it for target sizing and pinpointing. For me, it provides a more accurate audible "description" of the size and shape of a target than the Pinpoint mode does.
I like the Auto Noise Cancel Channels. The X-50 has manual Noise Cancel, which works fine for quieting down your detector in an area with interference from electrical lines or another detector. But what about that noise you can't hear? The X-70 automatically selects the channel with the least amount of noise. Assuring me that I am operating my detector with the least amount of interference possible.
I like having the option of changing the number of audio tones. I prefer to hunt with 4 tones, just like the X-50 has. But it is nice to switch to two tone when I only want to differentiate between ferrous and non-ferrous targets. It is also nice to be able to switch to 3 tone (like the X-30) when I want to keep all silver and copper coins on a high tone. And, on occassion, I switch to the multiple-tone mode, just to make me appreciate the 4 tone more!
Some people like to hunt in the Tracking mode. Some people appreciate having their choice of 3 Patterns instead of the two on an X-50 or one on the X-30. But the most important "feature" of the X-70, as far as I am concerned, is the ability to use the 3 khz coil. In my opinion, there is no better coil for my type of hunting, and in my soil conditions, than the 3 kHz. I only wish there were more 3 kHz coil designs available.
HH Randy
The GB setting of the X-30 is factory preset. The GB settings of the X-50 range from 0 - 20, with 6 being the factory default. The X-70 ranges from 1 - 90, with 27 as a default. If you do the math, 6 is to 27 as 20 is to 90. So, the factory default GB of each model is proportional to the other. In other words, I believe the maximum and minimum are virtually the same with both models. However, the X-70 has the potential to be Ground Balanced much more precisely than the X-50. Similarly, the sensitivity of the X-70 has half again more possible settings than the X-50. And again, I think the maximum and minimum settings are virtually the same. However, just as with the GB settings, having a more "fine tuned" Sensitivity setting will allow the user to fine-tune their detector to the coil as well as the soil.
But GB and Sensitivity settings aside, there are quite a few reasons I grab the X-70 for most of my hunts. Personally, I like having a threshold tone so I know that my detector is ready to respond to even the smallest (or deepest) target. Without a threshold, or having your threshold set to silent search, how do you know that the target you have passed over will make a signal loud enough to overcome the silence? And if I decide to hunt in a Pattern mode, the threshold will null out over a rejected target. I won't dig it but hearing it null out makes me aware that there are targets passing under the coil. If I am hunting an open area and wanting to know where activity took place. Nulling is a good indicator.
I like having 2 digit notch segments. This allows me to better determine the target identity prior to digging the hole. 4-digit segments on the X-30, and 3 digit notch segments on the X-50 provide a lot of valuable information. But having 2 digit notch segments is like having twice the discrimination "opportunities" as with the X-30. And 50% more than the X-50. One place I hunt is littered with 12 ga. shotgun shell casings. They bounce around between 16 and 22 on my X-70. (four notch segments) On the X-30, they bounce between 16 and 20. (one notch segment) On the X-50, they bounce between 18 and 21. (two notch segments) I know a few have disagreed with one of my early posts about coin hunting with the X-Terra. But I still have not dug a US coin that remained in a consistent location, provided a consistent audio tone, and bounced more than 2 notch segments. If I were using the X-30 or X-50 in the example I gave with the shotgun shell casings, I would be digging a lot of them. But with the X-70 and two digit notch segments, I know what they are and pass them up. And I don't worry about missing an IH cent as the lowest reading I have found with an IH cent with any of the three X-Terra models is a 24
.
I like the Prospecting mode. I don't hunt gold, but I use it for target sizing and pinpointing. For me, it provides a more accurate audible "description" of the size and shape of a target than the Pinpoint mode does.
I like the Auto Noise Cancel Channels. The X-50 has manual Noise Cancel, which works fine for quieting down your detector in an area with interference from electrical lines or another detector. But what about that noise you can't hear? The X-70 automatically selects the channel with the least amount of noise. Assuring me that I am operating my detector with the least amount of interference possible.
I like having the option of changing the number of audio tones. I prefer to hunt with 4 tones, just like the X-50 has. But it is nice to switch to two tone when I only want to differentiate between ferrous and non-ferrous targets. It is also nice to be able to switch to 3 tone (like the X-30) when I want to keep all silver and copper coins on a high tone. And, on occassion, I switch to the multiple-tone mode, just to make me appreciate the 4 tone more!
Some people like to hunt in the Tracking mode. Some people appreciate having their choice of 3 Patterns instead of the two on an X-50 or one on the X-30. But the most important "feature" of the X-70, as far as I am concerned, is the ability to use the 3 khz coil. In my opinion, there is no better coil for my type of hunting, and in my soil conditions, than the 3 kHz. I only wish there were more 3 kHz coil designs available.
HH Randy
Thanks Guys:
I have an Xterra 50 and am just trying for an opinion on if I should up grade to the 70........The 50 works great and has found many coins 8, and 9 " in the ground..A couple of indian head pennies even deeper..........So I have no complaints with the 50..Just wondering if the 70 is much better and if it would improve depth and quality of finds. The 50 does work well, and the 70 would have to offer a bit more for me before I switched. So if there are any more opinions out there or someone who uses both and can say yea, or nay on the switch I will listen. I did own a 70 but traded it without using it for a different detector that I really wanted at the time. Outside of a couple of school yard hunts I have o experience with the 70
I have an Xterra 50 and am just trying for an opinion on if I should up grade to the 70........The 50 works great and has found many coins 8, and 9 " in the ground..A couple of indian head pennies even deeper..........So I have no complaints with the 50..Just wondering if the 70 is much better and if it would improve depth and quality of finds. The 50 does work well, and the 70 would have to offer a bit more for me before I switched. So if there are any more opinions out there or someone who uses both and can say yea, or nay on the switch I will listen. I did own a 70 but traded it without using it for a different detector that I really wanted at the time. Outside of a couple of school yard hunts I have o experience with the 70