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XT705 and hot rocks

bubber

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Does the XT705 pick up hot rocks as bad as the XT70? The XT70 drives me nuts on hot rocks in the prospecting mode with the 6 inch DD coil
 
bubber said:
Does the XT705 pick up hot rocks as bad as the XT70? The XT70 drives me nuts on hot rocks in the prospecting mode with the 6 inch DD coil


First of all, all VLF's are not good on "hot rocks" and the SD, GP, and GPX Pulse Inductions do MUCH better at rejecting more of them.

It is not so much the XT70(5) machine but instead the 6 inch HF DD coil choice that is the problem. It very sensitive to micro gold being more sensitive to hot rocks as well and it does not handle hot rocks as good as the 5x10" HF DD and round 10.5" HF DD.

nero_design(Marco) can give you more information on this.

That said, the new XT705 with the new "Offset Tracking" may handle hot rocks better thant the XT70 by setting the Tracking GB a little + positive or - negative.
 
of the hot rocks allowing you to audbily ignore them? In some areas this can be of help but, not all hot rocks are created equal. Even the vaunted PI detectors sound off on some hot rocks.

Tom
 
Am I understanding correctly, that the 5x10 HF DD 18,75 KZ coil will not pick up hot rocks like the 6 inch HF DD 18.75 coil??
 
Hey Bubber,

In a nutshell, yes. The 10x5" DD HF coil is less responsive to the smaller hotrocks. I've only found two hotrocks with this larger coil. They were larger hotrocks too... one was too large to lift. Using the smaller 6" DD HF coil is a different experience altogether but don't get me wrong, these two coils are very impressive when used in the right order or in the right location. I personally wouldn't part with either of them.

The 6" HF Coil is smaller so the field that it emits is denser and more sensitive to very small targets. I sometimes use mine for a studfinder at home before hanging a picture.
The larger the coil is, the more immune it is likely to be to smaller targets (and usually ground noise to a degree).... but the deeper it tends to go.

So the small 6" DD HF coil for the X-Terras is a fantastic coil for poking around in the Goldfields when looking for small specimens. It's also waterproof so you can immerse it in streams and creeks. It's popular in rockpools on beaches and even in parks for coins because it's emission field is so narrow that it's very blade-like. This enables the user to work in trashy areas with close-proximity targets.

Since the 6" DD HF coil is super sensitive, it's very good for finding very small Gold Specimens - so small that most other detectors and coils can't see them at all. It will easily respond to targets in the subgram category. If the target is touching the 6" DD HF coil when the detector is set to default settings, it will respond to a target just 0.02 of a gram. That's smaller than a pin head. This means it's too sensitive to use as a general search coil when you're out and about. If you attempt to cover large areas of ground with this smaller coil, you'll be stopping every two feet or so if there's fragments of iron or tiny pebbles from the hotrock family. The smaller coils also tend to be more sensitive to Ground Noise as well so this means that it can be hard to wander around in mineralized areas without being annoyed by a barrage of false signals and wavering sounds.

As noted above by David, the VLF (Very Low Frequency) detectors are not particularly immune to ground noise. They respond more readily to hotrocks and ground noise caused by mineralization. Pulse Induction (PI) detectors tend to handle those soils much better but don't discriminate nearly as well as a VLF detector does. Trashy areas are often good locations for a VLF. Most VLF detectors tend to find targets as deep as 9 to12 inches on average... and sometimes more if the target is larger. PI detectors will go much deeper but tend to cost considerably more. PI detectors (as noted above) are also less reactive to hotrocks.

Something VLF users with detectors like the X-Terra 70 (and the new X-Terra 705) can do is use a hotrock to re-balance the detector on. You can do this to rebalance the detector ...to assist in ignoring similar rocks in the immediate vicinity. It may require turning off the Ground Tracking feature though in order to work. Don't make the mistake I once made and attempt to cover an entire mountain with the 6" DD Coil because you'll be stopping every few feet in order to dig for plankton sized bits of ironstone etc.

The strength of the 6" DD HF coil is it's amazing versatility in creeks and waterways (both on the shore and submerged) although it's an excellent "sniper coil" for use on patches and on old tailings and mulloch heaps. It goes quite deep for a smaller coil but its sensitivity is extraordinary.

Cheers,

Marco
 
Thanks nero, The 5x10 HF DD coil is not waterproof , is it? Will it also pick up wheat grain size nugguts? Appreciate the long reply, and the rest of the replies, too.
 
No the 5x10 HF DD is NOT waterproof. Randy says to Silicone the coil cover on and the cable entry point to the coil to make that way.

Great explaination Marco! Notice Marco does not use the round 10.5" HF DD for gold prospecting because it is not as good as the 5x10 HF DD for smaller than coin sized gold. If I was hunting for about 5 gram and bigger gold nuggets then the 10.5" HF DD would be better and that would be about never. So I also prefer the 5x10 HF DD.

Also the round 9" HF Concentric would be very good to use on very low mineralized goldfields for nuggets.
 
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