XT70

[Bowie]

Ok, have talked with a few in pms. Im interested in the XT70. Will want a small coil,guess the DD hf one. Have several old lots I hunt that are loaded with iron and modern trash.
I use the M6 and do find a lot of wheaties around 3 inches. Have found some deeper targets with the XL Pro at these sites but I mainly use the M6 becasue I can sweep it slow with fast response, and Im sorry, I do like the tones.
Im just not finding deeper targets. Is it because the M6 cant punch thru this stuff or something else my little brain cant grasp.
Will the X70 punch thru this junk and not false on iron or is that the nemisis for all detectors??
Maybe the folks living on these old spots didnt have any silver,dunno,some of the lots were in a well off neighborhood for that era/time.
Ok, there, tinfoil, I posted. Tell em to be nice.
Thanks,
John

 

[Tinfoil]

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[Digger]

Jerry has a good point. If your M6 isn't getting over 3 or 4 inches, you need to have it checked out. I had a few of them myself, and they should do better than that! One question I would ask is what coil are you using on the M6? If it was the 5.3 Eclipse, then you know about how big the 6-inch X-Terra coil will be. As to the XLPro getting deeper than the M6, that doesn't really surprise me. Mine does too! I don't know whether to attribute the "lack of depth" on the M6 to the electronic design or the frequency. As you know, the M6 operates at 14 khz. Whereas the XLPro operates at 6.59 khz. With that said, if White's determines that there is nothing wrong with your M6, you may want to reconsider which small coil you get for your X-Terra. I've posted several times that I prefer the DD version due to (what I consider) better separation characteristics. But to be honest, if you took the lables from both my 6-inch DD and the 6-inch concentric, I probably couldn't tell them apart. At least not for depth or separation. So, if you find the M6 at 14 kHz is working correctly and just won't penetrate the ground where you hunt, you might consider the concentric at 7.5 kHz. It would more closely mirror the 6.59 kHz that seems to work so well for you at that site. And, the lower frequency won't be as "hot" on those low conductive targets that you indicate are loaded in those old lots you hunt. JMHO HH Randy

 

[KurtB]

You may also try a faster sweep speed. Most Whites machines that I have had do better when you speed it up a bit.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Hi John,

when I had the MXT I used the small 4x6 snooper coil at some real trashy sites and made some nice finds by sweeping real slow also and like you nothing much past 3". I'm talking real trashy that gives all detectors problems. The 5.3 coil is deeper on coin size targets but not quite as good in the real bad spots. The problem I think with the MXT/M6 is that the circuits are more oriented to smaller lower conductive targets whereas some of the newer designs don't give up as much sensitivity to high conductors.

I'll quit with these thoughts only as this is a ML forum.

Tom

 

[BarnacleBill]

You're not going to start that 7.8KHz thing again are you? Look what happened last time, poof! 7.5KHz................................7.8KHz "Imitation is the sincerest form of COPYING!" I know, I know, "whole new platform". I wonder if the the X-Terra coils will fit, so they'll at least have some coils to use? Did you see my Garrett podular post before it went bye bye?

My you're up early! Ann elbowing you and demanding "attention".

HH
BarnacleBill

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Whats a podular post? Is it something to do with wheelbarrows?

I'm not trying to start anything. Just trying to be PC for a change. Don't want to stir up the local authorities dontchaknow.

Man you do have cabin fever bad!

Tom

 

[Jackpine Savage]

My apologies for buttin in which lead to some off topic posts.

Tom

 

[BarnacleBill]

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[BarnacleBill]

Here's my original posts on field testing the six inch coils last summer. If you are going to get an X-Terra then the 6 inch DD is the way to go(X50 or X70). As a few others have stated it's the small coil no matter what detector you use that is the big factor. Using the notching will eliminate many of the trash targets and the X70 has the advantage of more notches.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?55,571137,571137#msg-571137

HH
BarnacleBill

 

[BarnacleBill]

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[Bowie]

has found deeper coins for me but it was in tot lot sand boxes or wood chips and I did find a penny around 8 inches on a local river band,(not sand) but the area was relative clean, some iron but nothing that was inches apart, guess what I mean, many times you could make a swing and get only one target,sometimes two.
I may be wrong,but I dont think anything is wrong with the M6,it air tested good when I bought it and know air test dont mean a whole lot cause you arent gonna find any targets in the air.
I am concerned about the small high freq DD coil for the X70 for the reasons you have stated when using it in these nasty sites.
I have read the faqfaq numerous times and want to thank you guys for your labor and the amount of time you spent to give someone like myself more insight to the XTerras and the coil selections, and not to mention the TID list of targets and corresponding numbers. I still havent read the manual for the 70 but will if I decide to buy one.
You know, I almost bought one before I made my M6 choice. I just couldnt leave Whites.
Oh,what is a podular post??
John

 

[BarnacleBill]

First the podular post was a response on another forum to JackPine Savage that was deleted.

Falsing in iron is a fact of life. But depending on detector & coil combination, and most importantly experience, will determine how much it affects your detecting. Since the X-Terras have such a large number of available coils you can even note a difference changing coils. It may be a simple lack of experience on your part, so before I plunk down any money I suggest getting your hands on an X70 with 6 inch DD to try. This could be via a dealer, friend, or local club.

HH
BarnacleBill

 

[Bowie]

Thanks Barnacle Bill, such is life, experience and maybe your right. Its got me guessing thats for certain.
I want mention his name, but I was just discussing this with a forum member via emails.
I told him, with the XL Pro,99% of the time I know when it falses because of a certain way the tone sounds and go ahead and laugh at my expense but it is true but with the M6 I just dunno. The Pro, when it falses, to me, sounds like a sonar signal form a submarine movie, has sort of echo empty sound to it. After Ive dug numerous nails,bolts etc with the M6, I turn the sensitivity down to help a bit.
Well, Im a loner out here, no dealers nearby, no clubs, I go it alone.
But I want to thank you and the others because you really are my only link to learn and research.
HH
John