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xp deus ,ctx 30/30 coinshooting.

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calabash digger

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[video]https://youtu.be/OPoTw7690Vc[/video] heres the 2 kings of the hill in a head to head coin shoot out.
 
They are certainly both excellent detectors, with different strengths and weaknesses...and philosophies of hunting.
(And I love them both...as well as many others I have.)

And please don't take this the wrong way;
But at the risk of stating the obvious...it's only a valid 'head to head shoot out' if both detectors are used by a skilled operator...not one of them by a first time user.

It probably took me fifty to a hundred hours of swinging, adjusting, and head scratching before becoming friends with my CTX. Up until that point, I simply hated it.
(Fortunately, it finally 'clicked' with me, and now I bring home the goodies on a regular basis. But not until then.)
I would have never even considered making a video of my first hunt with it...and that's coming from almost 45 years of experience with every brand made.

I know guys who have taken just as long or longer to get to know their XP, and other complicated units like the V3i.
It does look like you've got a very good feel for the Deus after only a few months...you must have 'clicked' right away. :)

To compare it to life...some girls you can figure out on the 'first date'...others might take a little longer to get to know, and continue to surprise you for years.

Congrats, Good Luck, and HH
:)
mike
 
I just compared signals over targets I found with the deus with the detectors setup in a similar fashion. Im not gonna put that kinda time into the CTX for a couple of reasons. It cost 2500.00,its heavy,its slow,and it will not outperform the Deus on relics in my test garden. I can cover 2x to 3x as much ground with the deus in a day relic hunting because its fast and I can swing it fast. I keep getting people saying need to slow the swing speed down with the ctx. IMO for 2500.00 dollars minelab could have made a fast processing machine that doesnt have to be swung at a snails pace what would I gain by swinging a machine like that nothing ITS NOT A DEEPER MACHINE ,IT DOESNT SEPERATE BETTER, I mean really what is to be gained by a relic hunter? Even if I learned the machine tones like I know the deus ,I would still lose because in theory I would find more targets with the deus because I could cover more ground there by increasing my odds. If I was a beach hunter I would own a ctx its king there seems like everyone agrees on that. I found the id not to be as great as people claim when I put it in the trash,you see it would not even read them and the deus would. It is true im not skilled with the 30/30 but I talked to a guy who test machines and writes reviews for kellyco and he owns both machines and he knew that the deus was king on land (In other words what I showed in my test results he already knew). He uses the ctx for the beach. Anyone reading this and you are a relic hunter or a coin shooter think about this. 2500.00,heavy,slow,not as deep,doesnt seperate as good, will tell you how a deep a target is better in clean ground but put some trash in the mix and that goes out the window. complicated as heck! , now think about this 1265.00 light ,fast better seperation, better depth on land, faster sweep speed to cover more ground ,seems to id in the thick trash better but im no expert, . I dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure out which one is the better relic machine and maybe even the better coin shooting machine. Trojdor if a guy was going to be hunting relics primarily and asked you DEUS OR CTX and could only have one which would you tell him to buy? Seems like you have alot of experience with alot of machines.
 
calabash digger said:
Trojdor if a guy was going to be hunting relics primarily and asked you DEUS OR CTX and could only have one which would you tell him to buy? Seems like you have a lot of experience with a lot of machines.
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cb, Thank you.

Yes, I've often been asked those kinds of questions.
I first find out his style and personality...and warn him/her 'up front' that either/both require a considerable investment of time and patience to learn.
And that they are very different machines..
I have also recommended they consider machines like the Racer, F75, MXT, or Fors Core and others.
But, in all honesty, I've ended up recommending the Deus more often than any of the others.

A still better answer is to try to find a way to own both, as the machines compliment each other nicely. :)

So I agree with you on the Deus being lighter, better price, much better AUDIO separation, and faster sweep speed.
But...in my ground, the CTX is measurably deeper. And does indeed ID much better at depth. But it does it's separation magic VISUALLY, on screen.

IMHO, the faster sweep speed of the Deus is offset by the smaller coil, so coverage is a wash...but that can also boil down to personal preference/hunting style.
(Some prefer to hunt more slowly...so as not to miss the really deep targets...others like to hunt like mosquitos)
And after a lifetime of swinging 5 pound plus detectors, the 3.5 pound CTX seems downright light to me.

So as a Golden Mask engineer told me recently...
"Tests/specs can be misleading and are often meaningless...the only thing that truly matters is whether your finds ratio goes up."
And I find lots of deep 'goodies/keepers' with the CTX, so I like it.

I think they are both wonderful machines. And there are certainly other models from other brands that are great as well.
I think you had a good answer in the other thread...that it's more of a Ford/Chevy kind of question.

BTW, it's only a week now till V4... ;)

mike
 
think im gonna wait on the update and let others test it first,maybe lol
 
gonna try and find someone whos good with ctx and shoot another video.
 
Thanks for the video. I love seeing both machines work. For me the Deus will get my vote. I love listening to it work. I will be trading in my AT Pro after about 5 months of use. It has served me well, i'm just ready for some technology to tinker with. My hunting buddy swings an Etrac as well, so I'm sure when I want to change it up he'll let me swing that for a bit.
 
good luck and you will be amazed what this thing will do compared to the at pro. do your homework and it will serve you well.
 
Lol well said. I just ordered an XP and I'm already scratching my head as I read through the online manual. I'm hoping with a lot of practice I will get it figured out.
 
watch Garys expert training videos ,man they will make your life easier.
 
Great video! I am fortunate enough to own both. I prefer the deus in the dirt and the ctx for the beach/shallow water. Deus will hit deeper coins in the dirt (11" coil) and is faster in the trash IMO. The CTX 3030 with 17 inch coil rivals pulse machines in depth on the salt water beaches on West Coast USA from my experience. I harness the CTX with 17" coil...not well balanced. Both great machines overall! GL and HH!
 
I own and use both these machines. It all depends on the type of hunting I decide to do on a given day. I have used the Deus for approx 3 years and the CTX for around 2. I live in southwestern Colorado where the soil is very unforgiving. I have alkali patches and high mineralization to deal with. If I'm going to hit an old homestead where it is a dig all non ferrous scenario than I would opt for the Deus or nokta relic or tesoro tejon. If I am going old coin hunting at the hundred year old parks I would opt for the ctx/Tom tuned CZ. They handle the changing ground contitions so much better and are ID at depth is so much better. The deus is just as deep BUT, the ID is just not there. It has a tendancy to lump all deep targets into the 90s in my soil which includes deep beaver tails and old iron. Use the best tool for your given type of hunting. If all I did was hunt old parks for deep old coins there is no better detector than the ctx.
 
Welgund said:
I own and use both these machines. It all depends on the type of hunting I decide to do on a given day. I have used the Deus for approx 3 years and the CTX for around 2. I live in southwestern Colorado where the soil is very unforgiving. I have alkali patches and high mineralization to deal with. If I'm going to hit an old homestead where it is a dig all non ferrous scenario than I would opt for the Deus or nokta relic or tesoro tejon. If I am going old coin hunting at the hundred year old parks I would opt for the ctx/Tom tuned CZ. They handle the changing ground contitions so much better and are ID at depth is so much better. The deus is just as deep BUT, the ID is just not there. It has a tendancy to lump all deep targets into the 90s in my soil which includes deep beaver tails and old iron. Use the best tool for your given type of hunting. If all I did was hunt old parks for deep old coins there is no better detector than the ctx.
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Similar geography , similar soil conditions here Welgund , and my experiences with both machines is much the same. The Achille's heel of the Deus is modern trash and it appears the men at XP have ignored those shortcomings in their 4.0 update , at least from the info they have released at this point.

Ironically , the other shortcoming of the Deus is that it is the ONLY detector that I can think of that has an inferior selection of coils for it than the CTX ,,,, and the ones that are available are even more expensive than the overpriced quadruplets for the CTX. It appears that some day there may be a mid size elliptical 15khz coil for the Deus (5x9) which will become the sniper to match the 6" FBS2 of the CTX , although I will have to see it ID with accuracy in the same league to be a believer in it.

For all it's versatility , when you throw modern trash and nasty soil into the mix , the Deus becomes a site specific detector.
 
To the original Poster. While I do not have a CTX, I do have an Etrac and they are very close. When you get in situations like this, you need to lift your Detector away from the target and it will give you a VDI. When you stay right over the target the display will not change until you lift it away.

I also noticed your depth was off. When you get some experience on the Minelab you will find that the ideal number is 12 for a coin sized object. Lesser Ferrous numbers such as 10 or 11 often mean that the coin is on edge. Hunt by the Conductive number first then the Ferrous number. Greater Ferrous numbers are generally deeper.

You just need more time on the Minelab.
 
Having had a Deus for about 2 years and now a ctx for a month here is my experience. I am pulling lots of coins from dirt I have combed with everything I've had in the past including an F75se, 5 CZs, and many others. I may not have been able to manage the ctx in my early years before I built up some strength in my swinging arm, but I am not having trouble now. I loved the Deus weight and menu system (705 is aweful IMHO) but tone, ID and depth did not impress. If the ctx cost what the Deus does everyone would be crazy not to own at least one. Again IMHO!
 
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