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X50 vs X70 vs Ace 250?

tvanwho

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I have the Ace 250 ,realy like it as a turn on an Go machine with id and easy to use, decent depth with the 6.5 inch elliptical coil.I have the X50 but its not nearly as easy to use, maybe cause of the manual GB.Steve Herschbach seems to think the X50 is the way to go because it has more notch segments, I dunno? So, what else does the X70 have that the X50 does not then? I know nothing about it except it may have a prospecting mode. Am trying to figger out which id machine to keep and which to let go and free up some cash? I like a fast recovery, easy to pinpoint, easy to figger out machine without reading the manual if possible and id numbers that don't bounce all over.Of course the easy to use Eliminate switch on the Ace comes in pretty handy.My MXT is on the block possibly too. So far the Ace is the easiest to master. I will keep my Tesoro LoboST as my main nugget finder.
--Tom
 
If you already own both the X-50 and the MXT, and you are still using the Ace 250, you are leaving more in the ground than you are digging. No offense, but if you took the time to read the manuals for the X-50 or the MXT, you would be using them instead of the 250. Since you don't want to have to read the manual, maybe you could take a couple minutes to read a short article I posted earlier about using the X-Terra 50. I will paste it to this post.

Steve is right. The X-50 offers more notch segments than the Ace 250. FYI, the X-70 also offers automatic GB, tracking, beach mode, prospecting mode, more notch segments, threshold tone, more coil options and several other features that work well for me. But at the end of the day, if you don't want to take the time to read a manual, or learn how to set your detector to maximize your settings....then you best stick to your Ace 250 and sell the others.

HH Randy


X-Terra Tips for the Coin-$hooter
Here are some recommendations for setting up your machine, as well as what to listen for (and watch for) while coin hunting. This isn't the Holy Grail of X-Terra coin-shooting. It is just some documented thoughts and tips from a guy who uses the X-Terras.

Both the X-Terra 30 and the X-Terra 50 offer single frequency technology, multiple audio tones, adjustable notch discrimination, pinpointing mode, all-metal mode, a large LCD panel, adjustable sensitivity and separate adjustable volume settings for speaker or headphones. Although the notch segments, audio tones and ground balance differ between the two models, both offer the same basic functionality. The fixed ground balance on the X-30 is set to provide adequate operation in most types of soil. The adjustable ground balance on the X-50 allows the user to adjust the ground balance to operate smoothly in most every hunting environment. Ground balance settings apply to all hunting modes of the X-Terra 50. Proper ground balance will minimize false signals caused by ground mineralization and maximize the ability to provide accurate target identification. To properly adjust the X-50 for the site you are hunting, set the detector to the all-metal mode and find an area of ground that is clear of any metal. Before making any adjustment to the ground balance, temporarily adjust the sensitivity down to a level in the single digits. Sensitivity is the detector
 
Page 2 of your article with the X 70? I'd like to hear about its auto GB and prospecting modes especially. Can it be set up to reject the rectangular and beavertail tabs and still hit on some nickels and gold rings? Maybe I should sell my X50 and MXT and Compadre and just have an X70 and ACE 250 for a turn on and go backup machine? I did order the 9 x 12 coil for the Ace yesterday. Does Steve H have any X70 reviews yet?
-Thanks-Tom
 
Tom, I've written several articles about the X-Terras, so I am not quite sure which one you are referencing when you mention page 2. However, let me give you my take on the specific items you asked about. Auto GB is available on the X-70 and offers the user the choice of allowing the detector to automatically set the GB level for that particular location. To me, it is a short cut to manually pressing the up and down arrows, in an effort to find a point that the high tone and low tone offset each other. Remember that it may be difficult (and sometimes impossible) to completely neutralize the tones while adjusting GB. The Auto GB does that for you, with extreme accuracy. However, being somewhat old-school, I still check mine manually when using Auto GB. Keep in mind that when you use Auto GB, just as when manually balancing the X-70, the mineralization levels may still vary as you search. So, regardless of which mode you use, it is a good idea to check it every so often as you hunt. I try to check mine every 10 or 15 minutes. If you find that the ground mineralization at that site is fairly consistent, then you might not check as often as you would if you were changing it every few minutes. If you do find yourself changing the GB setting, in order to maximize the potential, you would be better off using the Track feature. Tracking allows the X-70 to continually update the GB setting, allowing the X-70 to obtain maximum depth of detection.

The Prospecting mode was designed to provide the most depth of detection and sensitivity for those who hunt in heavily mineralized soil. The Prospecting mode has an Iron Mask feature (0-20) that allows you to discriminate out certain sized ferrous targets. The lower you set the Iron Mask level, the smaller the targets are that are rejected. For example, if you set the IM level to 20, you will reject large iron targets but still allow small iron nails and bits of ferrous trash. The Prospecting mode works well for those hunting gold, but I find that I can use it for pinpointing as well. Personally, I hardly ever use any detectors pinpoint mode. Xing over the target usually gets me close enough for the sites I hunt. However, with the larger coils, I sometimes need some help. I don't often use the (non-motion) Pinpoint mode of the X-Terra, as the modulated tone and volume slow down my hunt. I would prefer to either X the target, or use the Prospecting mode. By simply pressing the Mode button, I am switched from my normal hunt mode to Prospecting. Prospecting mode does not provide numeric target ID, but I already knew what the target was before I decided to pinpoint. Instead, prospecting shows me the Iron mask level, and the audio allows me to center the coil directly above the target. And, it allows me to get an idea of the target size. Since I started sizing the targets in this manner, I haven't dug any of those darned mashed aluminum beverage cans. All in all, I find the Prospecting mode to be a more productive way for me to size and locate targets than the normal Pinpoint mode.

You asked if the X-70 can reject the rectangular and beavertail tabs and still hit on some nickels and gold rings? The simple answer is yes. It has the ability to reject certain pull tabs and still accept certain valuable targets. But you have to realize that it is impossible for any detector to reject all pull tabs and at the same time, accept all gold rings. Maybe the Explorer II, with the ferrous and conductive readings can be fine tuned to be more precise than most. But for notch type detectors, the X-Terra 70's two-digit notch system does as good as any and better than most. But, there will always be exceptions. For example, with my X-70, an unbroken pull tab bounces between 16 and 18. A square tab with a hollow top hole reads 26. A square tab with a solid top reads 24. A big tab that is flattened reads 20. A Pepsi screw cap reads 28. A mashed screw cap reads 30 and a
 
Thanks Randy,

Just what I needed to know! Thanks for not chewing me to pieces on my questions but being informative with specific examples in mind. Helps to clear up my confusion a bit.
--Tom
 
Hi Tom,

We all have our preferences. The machine that is best for you is the one you like the most and enjoy using the most. In general putting in the hours has more to do with making finds then what particular unit you use. So you need to have one you like enough to get you to go out and put in the hours.

It seems ease of use is very important to you. If so, the Ace may very well be the unit for you. The X-Terra 50 has more features, and the X-Terra 70 even more, but if you do not apply yourself to learning the machine then those features are of little use to you. I prefer the X-Terra 50 over the Ace for the very reason you say you do not - manual ground balance. It is a feature I insist on having on almost all the detectors I use. At the least I need auto ground balance that can be locked in, like on the MXT. But in general I avoid machines with factory preset ground bablance settings, as I get around too much to areas that have extreme variations in mineralization.

But that is not to say that preset ground balance settings do not work very well for many people. It is something that matters to me but may not matter to you.

One thing for sure about the X-Terra 70 is it has settings you will never figure out unless you study the manual. Some of the controls do things that are not marked at all on the machine itself. Out of all the units you have mentioned it requires the most study. I suppose it might replace both your MXT and X-Terra 50 with a single unit, but I really can't promise you'd be happy with it, based on your comments.

A real problem does happen when a guy like me comes out and says I really like the X-Terra 70. Well, that is swell, but that does not mean you will like it. Only you can ultimately determine what it is you want in a detector. Some people want options, but with options you always get complexity. I have a DFX and I still do not know what half the setting really do, nor do I care. I just have some settings that work for me and leave it at that!

Steve Herschbach
 
You posted your question on the Minelab forum. If you were to post it on the fisher or whites forums you would probably get a diffrerent answer. I too prefer the minelabs over the 250. But the answers you get are to be expected. If you were to post the same question on the Garrett forum, I am sure you would get a Garrett answer.
 
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