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X 30 question

robert roy

New member
So tell me about the ends and outs of the X-30.
Is this a good machine? I don't hear that much about it.
I have seen a few remarks comparing it with the F2 but thats all.

Would like to hear both the good, the bad, and the down and out
UGLY.

Thanks
Robert R
 
FAQFAQ at the top of the page.
 
Thank you Bill.
Saw the field tests.
Hope more people will chime in here
and give me their opinions as well.

I noticed some comparisions between the F2
and The X-30. What do you think.

Regards
Robert R
 
Ah Ha!!!!
Guess no one else needs chime in here after all.
Saw the other post. Great material. Thanks for
putting the FAQ's up. Its a great service to everyone!

Robert R:detecting:
 
I have had both. The F2 does have a faster target response and is lighter in weight. But now after having used the F2 for some time I would opt for the XT30 over it. Here's why. Volume control. 4 aa batteries. More target notches. Able to notch out any or all target notches. Better built. The reason I sold my xt30 a couple of years ago was I had some problem pinpointing. But I recently bought an xt50 and really like it. After pinpointing with the Ace 250 for a couple of years the XT50 pinpoints fine. I think I just didn't I gave the Xt30 a longer chance. It's a quality built machine. In all honesty having now used the 30 and 50. The 50 is well worth the extra money. By using the high frequency coils and manual GB just opens up a new world of detecting! I'm looking for a used 6 inch DD coil to complete my detecting needs.
 
Thanks Khouse:

I'm still leaving my options open.
How would you compare the two X-terras to the F4?
ANy comments on the upside and the downsides?

Regards
RObert
 
I don't have the F2 or F4, and at the moment have no reason to purchase either. In the mid range Fishers I have an Excel & Edge, plus a BH QuickDraw II at the low end. So you can see that I have very little incentive to purchase anything as I'm pretty well provisioned. FT under the Fisher moniker has simply failed to produce anything that floats my boat.

I've stated this before, but perhaps I can add a little wrinkle to it. The X-Terra's are Chameleons, change the coil and/or the frequency and it is like a different detector. So it as if, not just three models were produced(X30, X50,X70), but like 10 models were produced via the coil combinations. Even now people that have finally come around to trying them are finding that they can excel at certain tasks via a coil change. Are they perfect, no, but capability versus price point is pretty compelling.

HH
BarnacleBill
 
I do believe your right.
I was just reading another post at tresureNet where someone was comparing a x-70 with an MXT.
The X-70 was useing a 10.5 DD coil picking up on a coin ..whereas the MXT was useing the 6.9DD
and only getting a faint signal. The ending comment was that the MXT had limitations, as do
most machines. But My point is that the comparision being made was not fair. If the 10.5DD is operating on
one frequency and the MXT 6.9 is on another frequency, then I would EXPECT the x-70 10.5DD to
win out. If the MXT had used a bigger coil comparable to the 10.5 then I think they would have been
neck in neck. Am I wrong? I will humbly defer to your expertise.:please:

Robert R:detecting:
 
Actually Digger could answer that question better as he has MXT experience and I don't.

HH
BarnacleBill
 
Come on Robert roy, just get the Minelab X-Terra, either the 30 or 50, with your tax refund. You probably noticed that I was doing lots of "research" with regard to what "would be the best" for me, and I went with the X-Terra and I'm not looking back. In fact, I'm going to upgrade to the X-Terra 70 as soon as I can, but will keep my X-Terra 30 because I just like it so much...........Forget the Fisher's, just go with Minelab, the best...........HH, lessthanzero
 
[quote robert roy]I do believe your right.
I was just reading another post at tresureNet where someone was comparing a x-70 with an MXT.
The X-70 was useing a 10.5 DD coil picking up on a coin ..whereas the MXT was useing the 6.9DD
and only getting a faint signal. The ending comment was that the MXT had limitations, as do
most machines. But My point is that the comparision being made was not fair. If the 10.5DD is operating on
one frequency and the MXT 6.9 is on another frequency, then I would EXPECT the x-70 10.5DD to
win out. If the MXT had used a bigger coil comparable to the 10.5 then I think they would have been
neck in neck. Am I wrong? I will humbly defer to your expertise.:please:

Robert R:detecting:[/quote]

When you say the The X-70 was useing a 10.5 DD coil and was picking up a coin ..whereas the MXT was useing the 6.9DD was only getting a faint signal, WHICH KHz coil did the X-Terra70 have on, can you remember mate.

Thank You
 
Here is the ful message from That I was referring to. You can probably PM him.momule [ Send a PM ]
Date: December 28, 2007 09:26PM Registered: 1 year ago
Posts: 90

>>>>>>>Abuddy of mine uses a MXT, and I had one before switching to the Xterra 70 with the 10.5 DD coil. We were hunting a CW camp that the MXT just was not picking up the deep targets. Anyways, I got a signal on the X70 and told him to come check it out. It read 10" on my detector. He ran his MXT with the 6x10 DD over it and it gave a weak Iron tone. Well I dug it, a 3 ring 54 cal bullet at 10". Point is the MXT is a great machine with limitations, we had found that "iffy" signals that give a low/high tone if you "milk" the coil over, and scrub the ground, were almost always at the 6 or 7" level and were good targets. That is why I sold mine, I love to dig the one that others have missed!!!!<<<<<<<<
 
Believe me I'm thinking about it!:detecting:
I'm just trying to understand how one can take two different size coils,run them against each other and then
say say this one is better because...........? Something seems out of balance here.
Of course the MineLab is better but it has to do with the technology. Whites is not useing MineLabs patented Technoloy.

If one is better than the other then WHY is it better. Whites is still a damn good detector. If MineLab is better then why?
I'm only suggesting we give our views more perspective(something I'm not always so good at):surrender:


KellyCo runs the following Ad:

Minelab, the industry leader in metal detection technology has introduced the X-Terra 70. This new machine is the flagship of the popular X-Terra Series, and integrates Minelab
 
Your post date stamped December 29, 2007 10:03AM indicated that the X-Terra had a 10.5-inch coil and the MXT had a 6.9 coil. And you indicate that it seems unfair to compare two detectors with different sized coils. When you refer to it as a 6.9 coil, it would appear that there was a substantial difference in the sizes of the two coils. However, the post that you copied and pasted later indicates that the Whites coil was the Whites 6 X 10 inch coil. For you and others not familiar with the 6 X 10 White's Elliptical DD Eclipse coil, it is an oval shaped coil (elliptical) that measures approximately 6 inches wide and 10 inches long. The Minelab coil 10.5-inch DD coil is round. And from front to back, (where the target is detected) measures only one-half inch longer than the White's. Honestly, one-half inch difference is about as close as you will ever get when comparing coils from different manufacturers.

Although Whites describes the MXT as a detector that has three completely separate operating modes, (coin/jewelry, relic and prospecting) the frequency does not change. It will always run at 14 kHz. The X-30 operates at 7.5 kHz, the X-50 operates at either 7.5 kHz or 18.75 kHz. and the X-70 can operate at 3 kHz, 7.5 kHz or 18.75 kHz. Even though ANY of these three frequencies will find goodies, we all have our preferences as to which one to use at specific sites. Due to design characteristics, DD coil perform better than concentric coils in soils with mineralization levels considered to be "above moderate". With my X-70, I consider that level to require a GB of 28 or a smaller number. In the detecting world, lower frequencies are best suited for targets of higher conductivity, such as silver and copper. In the case of the X-Terra, lower frequency (compared the the 14 kHz MXT) would be either the 3 kHz or the 7.5 kHz coils. By comparing the 9-inch concentrics at these two frequencies, I have not been able to determine any differences in depth of detection on silver or copper coins. However, I prefer the 3 kHz coil for hunting around iron infested sites. In my opinion, the lower audio sounds produced by iron targets have a more distinct sound with the 3 kHZ than the 7.5 khz. Higher frequencies are designed to provide optimum performance on lower conductive targets such as gold. That is why most of the folks using their X-Terra for prospecting are touting the performance of the 18.75 kHz coils.

In comparing the MXT and the X-Terra.... there are many design differences. Feature wise, you are comparing two different generations of technology. In a nutshell, they are both marketed as detectors capable of finding coins/jewelry, relics and prospecting for gold. Understanding the fact that different frequencies respond differently to targets of varying conductivity, it should be clear that the capability of the X-70 to use all three frequencies makes it a truly universal platform. A detector with the capability to adapt to almost any hunting situation by simply switching out the coil. Another big difference between the two detectors is the manner in which they accept and reject specific targets. The MXT has a variable discrimination system. That means that when you set the discrimination to a certain level, it will reject everything below that setting. Granted, it does have one preset notch for pulltabs. It is activated with the trigger mounted under the meter. But it is preset and not adjustible. With the full range notch discrimination circuitry of the X-Terra, you can pick and chose which notch segments you want to either accept or reject. For example, if you set your MXT to reject pulltabs, you will also reject anything with a conductivity lower than pulltabs. With the X-Terra, you simply reject the notch segment representing the pulltab, and continue to accept targets with lower or higher conductivity readings. These differences don't make the MXT a bad detector. Just a totally different concept in metal detecting technology. I have an MXT and the X-Terras. (and an Advantage, and an XLPro, and an Explorer etc etc) Although I use the X-Terra much of the time, I still have situations where I use other detector/coil combinations.

I'm not sure what your intent was by posting those 4 negative reviews on the X-Terra Forum? There are over 12,000 posts on this forum that pretty well examine the pros and cons of the X-Terra and it's functionality. Regardless, I've visited those review sites myself and frankly, don't hold a lot of stock in reading reviews from people that I don't know if they even used the detector they are reviewing. The thing that I find suspicious about the reviews on those sites is that some "reviewers" post similar comments about numerous detectors. One guy posted (on 4 different makes and models) that the specific detector being reviewed was the best thing he ever used. Interestingly enough, that same person has a website who's address that includes a certain manufacturers brand name. Tough to take someone like that very serious. In the four reviews you listed, I did note that two commented on the slow reset speed. That statement alone tells me that they are not familiar with the X-Terra, compared to nearly every other detector in the industry. Amongst the top line detectors available today, the reset speed of the X-Terra ranks among the fastest. The comment that struck me as the funniest was the guy who said he has been buying and selling detectors for 25 years. My initial reaction to his comments is that he should spend less time buying and selling, and more time learning how to use a detector properly. With his comments about "dialing out iron" and setting the sensitivity to a "median", it is obvious he knew nothing about the X-Terra. One comment that could have been an honest review was from the person stating the inability to find hammered coins. What I noticed about this review is that it was made prior to the release of most of the accessory coils. Posters to this forum have attested to their success on hammered coins (as well as ancient artifacts) by using their X-Terra and the DD coils, higher frequency coils and the 6-inch coils.

As to whether or not White's is using Minelab technology......White
 
Robert roy, you are over analyzing in your quest for your "perfect" detector. Don't be fooled by heathens trying to disparage Minelab and/or the X-Terra's. They are simply the best detectors within their design parameters. Once you have one strapped on you will not want to part with it.............Forget Fisher........!!!!
 
Now don't misunderstand my intent:surrender:.......For all the great reviews out there I thought it would be a good idea to throw some perspective on the issue.As it turns out at www.metaldetectorreviews.net the positive reviews far out weigh the negatives, fortunately. The two machines do what they do. MXT is a good machine and from what I have read so is the MineLab. To say one is better than the other implies the MXT must not be so hot and that just isn't the case at all, thats why I have suggested showing WHY the mineLab is so good. Also I don't think compareing the two machines without that perspective is fair to the MXT. As I MD and read the posts ,I find it more and more hard to say one machine is inferior and the other is somehow better.

So much of what I hear as "better" sounds more and more like subjective preference. Nothing wrong with preference. I have mine too. For example I like the sound a target makes with my MXT better than the Bell Tone on my Ace, because I can go over the target areas and hear fainter sounds. I can't do that with the bell tone, but that is a preference and as a result I have dug some deeper targets.

Question: It was my understanding that the 5.3 coil was a different frequency that the 9.50 as is the 6x10 DD etc. If thats true then that sounds like dual frequency to me. Correct me if my information is not correct.:confused:

>>>>>>In comparing the MXT and the X-Terra.... there are many design differences. Feature wise, you are comparing two different generations of technology.<<<<<<<

Yes, absolutely. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Thank you for your prspective. Very interesting. I had no idea Whites bought any technolgy from MineLab. I'll have to write them and see what other information I can get about that.

BTW your post is very informative. That is what I call some GREAT PERSPECTIVE.:clapping:

Best regards
Robert R
 
You asked: Question: It was my understanding that the 5.3 coil was a different frequency that the 9.50 as is the 6x10 DD etc. If thats true then that sounds like dual frequency to me. Correct me if my information is not correct.

The MXT operates at 14 kHz, period. Single frequency. Nothing higher and nothing lower. It uses the same coils as used by the DFX and Matrix M6. White's coils for these detectors consist of the stock 950 which is a 9.5-inch round concentric; a 4 X 6 Elliptical DD which is called the Shooter Eclipse; a 6-inch round concentric which is called the 5.3 Eclipse; the 6 X 10-inch Elliptical DD which was the coil used in your initial post; an 8 X 14-inch elliptical DD coil called the Deep Scan Loop; and the newest member of the White's coil family, the Super 12 concentric which is a 12-inch round concentric coil. (by the way, I field tested the Super 12 coil and found it to be an excellent coil on all three detectors) As I said, the MXT is a single frequency detector. It just happens to share coils with the Matrix M6 and the DFX. Interestingly, the M6 is also a single frequency detector and operates at 14 kHz. But the DFX (Dual Frequency Xlt) operates at 3 kHz and/or 15 kHz. Point being, one coil serves detectors operating at 3 different frequencies. In this regard, White's is taking an entirely different approach to coil compatibility than with the Minelab X-Terra.

.....The MXT operates at 14 kHz only. However, it shares the same coils with the DFX, which operates at 3 kHz, 15 kHz or both simultaneously. Therefore, the coils utilized on the MXT, M6 and DFX are not tuned to a specific model of detector, nor to any one specific frequency. One coil is, in effect, a multipurpose coil. Again, nothing wrong with that. Just not as "fine tuned" for a specific application as some other manufacturers detectors. As a side note, White's has been doing this for a long time. My XLPro, for example, takes the same 6.592 kHz coils as the XLT, QXT series, IDX series, 5900, 6000 and Classic III. Unfortunately, all of these have been manufacture discontinued, with the exception of the XLT.

The X-Terra is also a single frequency VLF detector. However, it has the capability to operate at one of three different frequencies, depending on the coil that you connect. AND, those coils are specifically tuned to operate at ONLY that one frequency. If you plug in a 9-inch concentric at 3 kHz, the microprocessor in the detector communicates with the microchip in the coil, to establish the optimum operating parameters for that particular detector, coil and site. If later you decide to plug in the 6-inch DD at 18.75 kHz, once again the coil communicates with the detector, via digital signalling over the data link (cable), and establishes the optimum operating parameters for that coil. Minelab apparently believes that making a coil designed to work on only one frequency, provides the best results for specific applications. And the datalink between the coil and the control housing insures optimum performance for each coil choice.

Concentric for moderately mineralized soil conditions. DD design for more highly mineralized soil conditions. 3 kHz for larger and deeper, high conductive targets. Medium 7.5 kHz for all around coinshooting and relic hunting. And 18.75 kHz for prospecting, beach hunting and finding those smaller, less conductive targets.

HH Randy
 
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