WreallyOT and size difference

[Finderskeeper]

Just to show the difference between the WOT and the stock 10 inch coil on the Excalibur II 1000.

My WOT is coated with truck bed spray liner and also the top was painted with florescent orange for better visibility. When the sun hits it, it really stands out in the water.

Note that the WOT covers 5 complete squares in the floor pattern where the standard 10 inch covers only two complete squares. The WOT also covers 9 partials of the square floor pattern where the 10 inch covers 5 partials. This is just to show the coverage difference between the stock coil and the WOT. Each square is 4 inches by 4 inches.

 

[Anonymous]

That is nice...can you tell me which model coil it is (model number please) I would like to put one on my excal 1000 that I am picking up tomorrow...
also how is it in the saltwater and what kind of depth improvements are you getting

 

[hershey1]

In my opinion whice is not much is the WOT is more compatible with the Excal than any other coil on the market. The most experienced users seem to like the WOT best. HH

 

[Finderskeeper]

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[Neil]

what state/country are you hunting in? Im in NJ and have to turn the sens down when using mine at the ocean, at freshwater locations I can run it higher.
I would have to workout more to be able to swing it underwater for any length of time like you and erik mention. On land its even a good workout but the coverage is superb and the depth as well. Its a good, stable coil.

Neil

 

[bootyhoundpa]

it has also been my experience at certain inland sites my wot will pop on targets that my 10 inch coil wont even see..... funny thing is im not necessarly talking about deep targets just yesterday i got out to a site i had worked over very hard last year with sov gt with 15 inch wot.....at that time 3 other guys with whites xlt, prisms happened to be passing by on thier way to another part of the feild....they tried for a half an hour and only came up with a button between the 3of them.... i was averaging 1 target every 5 minutes.... i went back to the same place 4 months ago with excal with 10 inch coil but could only come up with 1 button myself.after 2hrs of hunting.... i went back to the exact same place yesterday just to get out of the house, the place was still half frozen over .... once again with the sov gt 15 inch wot combo i was averaging 1 target every 5 minutes and while i didnt find any greatfinds i was able to recover 6 flat buttons that i am sure i had swung over 4 months ago with the 10 inch coil..... funny thing is these targets only averaged about 3 inches deep and even the wot struggled to pop on some of them ,but i am convinced the 10 inch coil would not have even seen them...i ve had very simular results at other colonial sites ive hunted... for me it seems to come down to finding that magical sensetivity setting .. some days i can get dialed in right away and other days im adjusting all day and never do quite find that perfect setting...........

 

[Finderskeeper]

I hunt mostly the beaches of Florida. The beaches down here are pretty neutral as far as mineralization goes. Siesta Beach has the purest quartz sand in the world (99%) and is rated as one of the top ten beaches in the world.

I also hunt South Beach and have spent many a day there hunting. My best finds have been at South Beach and also at Desoto Beach.

In Ohio, I hunt the school yards in the Summer and also the beaches of Lake Erie.

The beaches in Florida get hunted pretty heavily ( I have seen as many as 18 hunters in the morning), so I hunt the water mostly. I try to get into the water before anyone else and so that means getting up at 5 am and in the water by sun up.

I get myself into shape for water hunting by using bungee cords. Yep, bungee cords. I get mine from Home Depot and I use them to keep my arms in shape. Since using the bungee cords, I have been able to increase my detecting time to well over 5 hours at a crack. I often hunt all day from dawn to dusk stopping only to eat or a bathroom break.

 

[Rick(ND)]

To me and many others up here in ND the WOT does not work as well as the S-12 and even the stock coil for most of our hunting needs. We are mostly coin and jewelry hunters looking for older and deeper coins in well worked area like parks, school yard and ball fields. They are just too big and have to swing much slower plus mask many good targets as they see too much. we have done side by side comparison with the stock 10 inch Tornado coil and the S-12 against the WOT and found the WOT does not work as well for us. I bought a couple of WOT myself for both the Sovereigns and the Explorers and used them and let others try them too I feel that knows their Sovereign well and we all felt it was not the coil we could use for our hunting needs. I do feel working a large field or beach where targets are far a few this coil does great for coverage, but coverage is not as great as some think it is in my opinion. The hot spot of the coil to me is the toe to heal and on your picture it shows about 4 inches difference with each swing of the coil, plus there will be a little on the sides too, but not that much I feel.
The WOT is a great coil for some and if it works for you by all means use it, but for some they will find this coil is not as good as the stock coil and much heavier and awkward to swing. For water hunting I have been told by the few water hunters we have here I have sold Excalibur's too and extra coils that the 10 and 12 inch coils are hard to swing in the water, but OK on the sand, so if a 10 and 12 is hard in water i am sure the 12 will be harder to swing. On of my customers decided to get 2 Excalibur's one with a 8 inch coil for water hunting and 1 with the 10 inch coil for beach hunting and does well with this combo as his son goes with so while one hunts the water the other hunts the beach.

Like I say if the WOT works good for your hunting use it, but this coil will not work for everyone and some hunting condition so if you can get a chance to try one before you buy I would highly recommend this so you know if it will work for you or not.

Rick

 

[UncleTom]

Like Rick, At my beach I like the S-12 over the WOT.

 

[John(Tx)]

How much more depth could I expect with the WOT over the Excal stock 10" regarding coins and rings? Our beach here on the Texas Gulf Coast is very low in minerals. Thanks....

 

[OldBeechnut]

From the Old Pro's of the past..Best learned from the one's that have been there done that..........

The WOT coil and Sovereign are a killer combination. Get good, sensitive sound-isolating headphones to hear those deep whispers of signals from the real deep ones. Remember, in the all-metal mode there is no fasling as there would be in the discriminate mode. So hunt in the all-metal mode at max sensitivity.

CJC, when is your next book coming out?

bbsailor

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,290025,293707#msg-293707

 

[Finderskeeper]

Right on Joe. I use all metal almost all the time at the beach and I love it. I only use discriminate to figure out if I want to dig or not. Using Pin Point and the WOT is a killer combo for me. Thanks for all your videos. It pretty much cemented my thoughts on pin point (all metal).

I do know that the WOT is not good for certain areas of the country and some hunting situations. I prefer a smaller coil for hunting really trashy parks. The WOT just gets overwhelmed with too many signals because it is so big.

As far as coverage, the WOT is a double D coil so it has equal coverage from front to back, at least the theory goes. I know that my ability to cover more ground and go deeper is way better than the original 10 inch coil.

By the way, the WOT is not really 15 inches wide. It is actually 14.5 inches.

Now as far as being heavier......it is not. The WOT is very close to the same weight as the factory 10 inch coil. Some people have trouble swinging the WOT in the water, as each our physical abilities are different. I do not have any trouble swinging the WOT for hours and hours even in the water. Some people say that swinging the factory 10 is rough for them and opt for the 8 inch factory coil. To each his own.

All I know is that on clean beaches and in the salt water, the WOT and the Excalibur is a killer combo. It is not a do all coil and so I am looking into using the mini buccaneer connectors to switch out coils when the need arises.

And I agree totally with Steve Hershbach. Use what works.

 

[erikk]

To me and many others up here in ND the WOT does not work as well as the S-12 and even the stock coil for most of our hunting needs. We are mostly coin and jewelry hunters looking for older and deeper coins in well worked area like parks, school yard and ball fields. They are just too big and have to swing much slower plus mask many good targets as they see too much. we have done side by side comparison with the stock 10 inch Tornado coil and the S-12 against the WOT and found the WOT does not work as well for us. I bought a couple of WOT myself for both the Sovereigns and the Explorers and used them and let others try them too I feel that knows their Sovereign well and we all felt it was not the coil we could use for our hunting needs. I do feel working a large field or beach where targets are far a few this coil does great for coverage, but coverage is not as great as some think it is in my opinion. The hot spot of the coil to me is the toe to heal and on your picture it shows about 4 inches difference with each swing of the coil, plus there will be a little on the sides too, but not that much I feel.
The WOT is a great coil for some and if it works for you by all means use it, but for some they will find this coil is not as good as the stock coil and much heavier and awkward to swing. For water hunting I have been told by the few water hunters we have here I have sold Excalibur's too and extra coils that the 10 and 12 inch coils are hard to swing in the water, but OK on the sand, so if a 10 and 12 is hard in water i am sure the 12 will be harder to swing. On of my customers decided to get 2 Excalibur's one with a 8 inch coil for water hunting and 1 with the 10 inch coil for beach hunting and does well with this combo as his son goes with so while one hunts the water the other hunts the beach.

Like I say if the WOT works good for your hunting use it, but this coil will not work for everyone and some hunting condition so if you can get a chance to try one before you buy I would highly recommend this so you know if it will work for you or not.

Rick

I have been using the WOT/Excal combo for years & I find it goes much deeper than the stock or the S-12. The only drawback with the WOT is when you encounter a coin spill and have not experienced it before with the big coil. Many will think it is a large junk target and move on when all you have to do is back off and slowly pick them off one by one
As for being too hard to swing-a couple of big bowls of Wheaties might help your hunters that are having problems

 

[seeker41]

neat to see it on a grid like that!!!!
sef coils are pretty cool too!

 

[Rick(ND)]

For us up here that have tried them and the S-12 the S-12 beat them hands down in separation and depth, so if the WOT works good for you I would keep on using it.
Coin spills are always fun to do for some, but with experience and knowing your Sovereign well most will know there is multiple targets in one small area as you will hear each different one and if all close in tones to one another you know it is probably a good coin spill. The ones that are fun is the coins in with alum cans where each and every signal has to be checked out by raising the coil and see how high you have to raise the coil to get the signal to change, those that stay loud are cans when raise 4 or 5 inches, but those that change are the one i want. Dug some nice coins and relic doing this in can infested area other leave for me. Got a real nice Eagle emblem from a Cole Car built around before 1920 I almost didn't dig in with some old Hamms beer cans as it was bigger size and almost fooled me when lifting the coil, but heard it was slightly different than the other signals next to it that were the beer cans. i was using the 10 inch Tornado coil that time.

Good luck with you 15 inch WOT Erikk and may your finds be many.

Rick

 

[mesha]

n/t

 

[erikk]

For us up here that have tried them and the S-12 the S-12 beat them hands down in separation and depth, so if the WOT works good for you I would keep on using it.
Coin spills are always fun to do for some, but with experience and knowing your Sovereign well most will know there is multiple targets in one small area as you will hear each different one and if all close in tones to one another you know it is probably a good coin spill. The ones that are fun is the coins in with alum cans where each and every signal has to be checked out by raising the coil and see how high you have to raise the coil to get the signal to change, those that stay loud are cans when raise 4 or 5 inches, but those that change are the one i want. Dug some nice coins and relic doing this in can infested area other leave for me. Got a real nice Eagle emblem from a Cole Car built around before 1920 I almost didn't dig in with some old Hamms beer cans as it was bigger size and almost fooled me when lifting the coil, but heard it was slightly different than the other signals next to it that were the beer cans. i was using the 10 inch Tornado coil that time.

Good luck with you 15 inch WOT Erikk and may your finds be many.

Rick

Been doing pretty good so far with it for many years both on the Excal and the Explorer 2 (I also have the S-12 ), 5, 8 & 10, I do NOT have a Sovereign

 

[synthnut]

Following this thread , I can see a BIG difference not only in coils , but in the way folks hunt wth their Excal ......It' s becoming more and more evident that the area where one hunts plays a HUGE ROLE in what gear is used and the style of hunting ..... Living in the N.E. I can go 50 miles and hunt a NY beach , and then go down to a NJ beach and have COMPLETELY different results ......You will notice that the guys down in Florida or just about any beach down South , have different sand conditions, and they hunt in mostly crystaline sand beaches where they HAVE to go down a foot or so for targets and they are few and far between .......Then you take the flip side and you have the hunters up North that have continuous streaks of Black Sand , and highly mineralized beaches , with more targets in a square ft than they find down south in a 100 sq ft !! ....HUGE difference .... We could NEVER listen for any whisper tones of threshold change here in NY ...... If you told anybody here in NY that you were listening for a whisper tone or a change in threshold , they would take you to the looney bin !!...... What works in one location , does NOT work in another location ..... There are so many variables to contend with ....Dealing with Black Sand alone tells me that if I hunt with a 15" coil as opposed to a 10 or 12 inch coil that I am going to have to deal with a LOT more iron on every sweep , not to mention all the trash in the waters around here .....I'm sayiing this even before speaking of the weight difference or the ease or trouble with swinging underwater !!...... It's all good !!...... Different tools for different areas .....Everybodies right and nobodies wrong !!.....We all win !!....Happy Hunting !!....Jim

 

[Rick(ND)]

I find many of the types of coils I use on these i dont care for on the Sovereign. The Joey on the Explorer/E-Trac is great and seen some great finds from this coil, but on the Sovereign i wasnt impressed with it. On my Sovereigns I like the 8 inch coinsearch and the 8 inch Sun Ray S-8, bigger coils it would be the stock 10 inch Tornado coil that comes on the GT and the S-12 of Sun Ray. For the Explorer/E-trac the 8X6 SEF, the 5 inch Sun Ray or the 5 inch Excellerator coil, the 11 inch Pro coil, the X-12 and tried the 15X12 SEF I got by mistake as i ordered the wrong one, but I will say for a big coil I was impressed with how well it covers a area plus still seperates real good.
I dont use a Excallibur myself, but have sold a few and most that do water hunting want the 8 inch while those that do mostly beach gets the 10 inch coil. A couple of my local tried the S-12 and the WOT and one goes down to Florida every winter and wound up putting the 10 inch coil back on as it worked the best for him he say. He uses his S-12 on his Sovereign for land hunting and does well with it.

Good luck

Rick

 

[erikk]

Following this thread , I can see a BIG difference not only in coils , but in the way folks hunt wth their Excal ......It' s becoming more and more evident that the area where one hunts plays a HUGE ROLE in what gear is used and the style of hunting ..... Living in the N.E. I can go 50 miles and hunt a NY beach , and then go down to a NJ beach and have COMPLETELY different results ......You will notice that the guys down in Florida or just about any beach down South , have different sand conditions, and they hunt in mostly crystaline sand beaches where they HAVE to go down a foot or so for targets and they are few and far between .......Then you take the flip side and you have the hunters up North that have continuous streaks of Black Sand , and highly mineralized beaches , with more targets in a square ft than they find down south in a 100 sq ft !! ....HUGE difference .... We could NEVER listen for any whisper tones of threshold change here in NY ...... If you told anybody here in NY that you were listening for a whisper tone or a change in threshold , they would take you to the looney bin !!...... What works in one location , does NOT work in another location ..... There are so many variables to contend with ....Dealing with Black Sand alone tells me that if I hunt with a 15" coil as opposed to a 10 or 12 inch coil that I am going to have to deal with a LOT more iron on every sweep , not to mention all the trash in the waters around here .....I'm sayiing this even before speaking of the weight difference or the ease or trouble with swinging underwater !!...... It's all good !!...... Different tools for different areas .....Everybodies right and nobodies wrong !!.....We all win !!....Happy Hunting !!....Jim

I use my Excal/WOT when I hunt Lake Ontario in Rochester NY as well as some of the finger lakes and hunt the same way as I do down here in FL