Well after 3 hunts w my XP Deus. I'm regretting letting my F75 go. I know the Deus is a excellent machine but I I'm too impatient to try to learn a new machine. So if you have the desire for a new detector think it through. Now I've got to find me another F75. I'm on the look out!
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Would trade my Deus in a heartbeat!
- Thread starter pvtcook
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Charlie P. (NY)
New member
The Deus appears to have a lot of great ideas all pulled together.
One thing I admire most about the F75 is that with a fast factory reset it's back to an easy detector to use. Then you can play aroud tweaking it to what you want - and it saves that programming when you turn it off - until you reset again.
One thing I admire most about the F75 is that with a fast factory reset it's back to an easy detector to use. Then you can play aroud tweaking it to what you want - and it saves that programming when you turn it off - until you reset again.
Not gonna lie...I did look at getting a Deus very very very seriously...I like speed!.....
I have a very hard time learning new things as well, even a garage door opener is a mystery for me to master...TV remote? forget about it!
So all that Deus tech intimidated me, I'm just not up to it..
The speed/ergonomics/weight on the 70/75, its operational simplicity, the DP tones,
also, if a guy used the Deus even in shallow water, you need the snorkle cable, and theres times when the 70 gets that work too.....so I talked myself out of it..I just could not see what I would really be gaining the way I hunt for all that additional money? So I committed to a super fast target recovery method, learning the 70's language, etc. that perhaps overcomes possible 'technical advantages' any other rig can offer through the sheer volume of finds...thats the strategy anyway..
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Still, the Deus is a great rig, very cool unique concept, active forum with helpful people. I lurk their forum drooling on their finds, I would have to hold a Deus or go to one of Andy's training classes just to see what the DEUS could do the 70/75 cannot?....It would have to be really something substantial...not 'Its an air inch deeper'! or anything like that...
I'd love to see a real world park shootout between the two, jumping from field to totlot, working the trash and close to the poles..slinging and zinging around, down to the beach, along the riffle trough..I dont think the Deus's coil speed would overcome all the alternating 'program set up speeds' between all these venues to make any difference...where with the 70, a guy can run sens or disc up or down without even looking at the screen, while walking to another spot, just by counting seconds in their head and holding the + or- button....
In a real World general park shootout, going for the most targets of value in the shortest time, I bet whoever can identify, pinpoint and recover a target would be the winner...but again, I hunt fast and shallow if possible..
Mud.
I have a very hard time learning new things as well, even a garage door opener is a mystery for me to master...TV remote? forget about it!
So all that Deus tech intimidated me, I'm just not up to it..The speed/ergonomics/weight on the 70/75, its operational simplicity, the DP tones,
also, if a guy used the Deus even in shallow water, you need the snorkle cable, and theres times when the 70 gets that work too.....so I talked myself out of it..I just could not see what I would really be gaining the way I hunt for all that additional money? So I committed to a super fast target recovery method, learning the 70's language, etc. that perhaps overcomes possible 'technical advantages' any other rig can offer through the sheer volume of finds...thats the strategy anyway.....Still, the Deus is a great rig, very cool unique concept, active forum with helpful people. I lurk their forum drooling on their finds, I would have to hold a Deus or go to one of Andy's training classes just to see what the DEUS could do the 70/75 cannot?....It would have to be really something substantial...not 'Its an air inch deeper'! or anything like that...
I'd love to see a real world park shootout between the two, jumping from field to totlot, working the trash and close to the poles..slinging and zinging around, down to the beach, along the riffle trough..I dont think the Deus's coil speed would overcome all the alternating 'program set up speeds' between all these venues to make any difference...where with the 70, a guy can run sens or disc up or down without even looking at the screen, while walking to another spot, just by counting seconds in their head and holding the + or- button...
.In a real World general park shootout, going for the most targets of value in the shortest time, I bet whoever can identify, pinpoint and recover a target would be the winner...but again, I hunt fast and shallow if possible..
Mud.
sprchng
Well-known member
I've had both and from an ergonomic , fast swinging point the nod goes to the 75 when compared to the Deus with the 11" coil just because of it's down shaft weight compared to the 75's 11". I'm sure the 70 is the same way. Now that the adjustment of the international currencies involved has brought the 75 and the Deus closer in pricing , I think the better value is with the Deus and it's innovations and flexibility. I had considered getting another 75 to see the difference with the upgrades but , if I was in the OP's shoes , I would opt for investing more time in learning the Deus than finding another 75 with all the bluster going on about the upgrade. If they've brought their chief schmoozer (Scott) out of the wilderness to assuage the worries of the lowly masses you can bet the problems are worse than they are letting on in the boardroom where all decisions at FT are made.
Spending six months to get to really know the Deus and it's actual simplicity beats six months of frustration shipping detectors to El Paso while FT gets their act together once again , if ever.
Spending six months to get to really know the Deus and it's actual simplicity beats six months of frustration shipping detectors to El Paso while FT gets their act together once again , if ever.
I guess I'm more frustrated w the tones and depth meter. I haven't used it enough to have figured it out for sure. I can't judge by the tone if a object is deep or on the surface. I spent a couple hrs yesterday and dug nothing but trash. I was digging high tones. Trying not to go by the VDI numbers. I agree w mudpuppy. I think the F75 w the 5" coil in FA would compete w the Deus. And there's no doubt the F75 is deeper. I'm just marking this down as a learning experience. I'm in the market for another F75 lol.
sprchng
Well-known member
I found high tone trash very easy to avoid using a one button push frequency shift or a minor notch adjustment.
I'm not too impressed with the tones either as they are much like the 75 but at least you can assign them to VDI ranges if you wish to learn how.
Depth meter is indeed funky and I expect that to be a change with the next online upgrade. The depth meter on my 75 was 2 to 3" off and unchangeable according to Felix but I learned to compensate for it----the Deus has the same type of "ball park" reading
I'm not too impressed with the tones either as they are much like the 75 but at least you can assign them to VDI ranges if you wish to learn how.
Depth meter is indeed funky and I expect that to be a change with the next online upgrade. The depth meter on my 75 was 2 to 3" off and unchangeable according to Felix but I learned to compensate for it----the Deus has the same type of "ball park" reading
Good point about the Euro crashing against the dollar Sprchng, ..bringing the prices of any European imports down to a point that it may yet be a valid purchase...Could be next week if Greece takes Putin up on his generous offer, a Deus will cost less than an F2!
I tend to look at everything for its 'payback timeline' feature proposal...as a general inland jewelry and clad hunter, detectors are simply tools to that end..Yes I have a certain amount of Brand Loyalty as long as a Mfg reciprocates and wants to keep it, thats a whole nother subject, Mike had to jump in at this point to this party, even though the kegs pumping foam and we are all out of pizza!...He didnt want anybody puking on the carpet I suppose, and shut it down diplomatically by playing some Pablo Cruise on the turntable, turning off the deck lights, and locking the doors...
uke:.
Anyway, back to tools...As a purchaser in these regards, if I can shoot sub moa with my Remington, do I really need that Sako? Even though its really cool and I WANT one? Can I get my boat where I want to go with a 15hp manual start instead of a 25hp electric? All decisions evaluated and generally default to simplicity and in field capability..
The tone strength, (modulated audio) on a targets depth is crucial for fast hunting, (F70/75)...if a guy has to look at a screen for ANY REASON to evaluate a targets depth, size, and likely composition, all the advertised speed gain, nail board test results are thrown out the window...again, I consider a 'fast recovery' rigs main strengths are to hunt comfortably, hit targets accurately, and harvest fast, the Deus is certainly agile, but is it agile enough to justify? Good dialog going on here!
Now, if somebody gets some AeroSmith up on the turntable, and somebody else breaks the lock off the liquor cabinet, we can really get this party started! At this point, Mikes got no choice but to just sit back, let the dog in the house to deal with the mess, and let 'er roll! Even late 70's Boston would probably do it!... on the other hand, key up some Journey, and somebody could possibly get pregnant!.. 'Dont stop believing' my brothers...nothing can hold a candle to the F70/75's as far as I can see... Or am I missing something?
Mud
I tend to look at everything for its 'payback timeline' feature proposal...as a general inland jewelry and clad hunter, detectors are simply tools to that end..Yes I have a certain amount of Brand Loyalty as long as a Mfg reciprocates and wants to keep it, thats a whole nother subject, Mike had to jump in at this point to this party, even though the kegs pumping foam and we are all out of pizza!...He didnt want anybody puking on the carpet I suppose, and shut it down diplomatically by playing some Pablo Cruise on the turntable, turning off the deck lights, and locking the doors...
uke:.Anyway, back to tools...As a purchaser in these regards, if I can shoot sub moa with my Remington, do I really need that Sako? Even though its really cool and I WANT one?
Can I get my boat where I want to go with a 15hp manual start instead of a 25hp electric? All decisions evaluated and generally default to simplicity and in field capability..The tone strength, (modulated audio) on a targets depth is crucial for fast hunting, (F70/75)...if a guy has to look at a screen for ANY REASON to evaluate a targets depth, size, and likely composition, all the advertised speed gain, nail board test results are thrown out the window...again, I consider a 'fast recovery' rigs main strengths are to hunt comfortably, hit targets accurately, and harvest fast, the Deus is certainly agile, but is it agile enough to justify? Good dialog going on here!
Now, if somebody gets some AeroSmith up on the turntable, and somebody else breaks the lock off the liquor cabinet, we can really get this party started! At this point, Mikes got no choice but to just sit back, let the dog in the house to deal with the mess, and let 'er roll! Even late 70's Boston would probably do it!... on the other hand, key up some Journey, and somebody could possibly get pregnant!.. 'Dont stop believing' my brothers...nothing can hold a candle to the F70/75's as far as I can see... Or am I missing something?Mud
foreign object
New member
I had a Deus and have a F75 now. Without a doubt I prefer the F75.
triplehooked
Member
They are both great detectors. I too, have owned the Deus and F75, and done well with them. The F75(se) is hands down deeper. It has more raw power available than any detector I've owned, as well as the deepest. With the shooter coil, the 75 does very well in the iron, but not as well as the Deus, plain and simple. The Deus is very easy to operate, Mud. Don't let that little garage door opener on the handle intimate you....lol...The main problem I had with the 75 was how chatty it is/was. It was plain to see after going back over sites with other detectors (not just the Deus) that what I thought was chatter/emi were actual targets. Perhaps the latest version will remedy that. I also found the 75 to be less 'tone friendly'. Meaning it was hard to distinguish the roundness of a target vs. the clipped sound of trash. I won't comment any further on the QC aspect of the latest Fisher models other than it's disappointing at best..
I own the full Deus version and wont part with it as it is quality machine for certain sites and of course the biggest advantage is the weight,back problems mean that with the Deus i can swing the thing all day long.But i still keep drifting back to my old faithful T2 and DFX,i also have many other machine.
Why i keep drifting back to my old favourite original T2 is simplicity,performance and just pure your joy to use,i nver part with any of my machines as no one machine does it all,on certain sites the Deus is a winner on say a ultra trashy site then my old Tesoro wins hands down.
One thing i will say is that the Deus will work for most folks as a simple switch on a go detector in the factory modes,its all right having these zillions of adjustments but i feel sometimes that can be a downfall of a machine,if you are into this type of thing then the Deus is your machine.But also if you suffer the advancing age syndrome (old age) or have health issues then the Deus is a clear winner weight wise.
Of course this is just my personal opinion.
Why i keep drifting back to my old favourite original T2 is simplicity,performance and just pure your joy to use,i nver part with any of my machines as no one machine does it all,on certain sites the Deus is a winner on say a ultra trashy site then my old Tesoro wins hands down.
One thing i will say is that the Deus will work for most folks as a simple switch on a go detector in the factory modes,its all right having these zillions of adjustments but i feel sometimes that can be a downfall of a machine,if you are into this type of thing then the Deus is your machine.But also if you suffer the advancing age syndrome (old age) or have health issues then the Deus is a clear winner weight wise.
Of course this is just my personal opinion.
A detector being too adjustable is sometimes a problem, it may not appeal to some. I've had both the F75ltd and Deus. I mainly use 2 programs on my Deus with small variations for the type of hunting I do. The F75 is a great machine but in my soil and in heavy iron trash it didn't work for me. The 11" coil on the Deus was a game changer for depth. In my soil the Deus is easily deeper than My F75. And there's just no comparison to any detector on the market being lighter and easier to swing than the Deus. But at the end of the day if you don't get the Deus set up right or you're overwhelmed by the adjustments you won't be happy.
mrwilburino
Member
You may want to hang onto the Deus for a bit. According to a Jan 16th post by XP owner Alain Loubert on the company's forum, the next update "V4" should be out "in a few months." That should be interesting, considering how the competition for machines like the Deus has been heating up lately.
The Deus is really not as complicated as some would believe; it's just a matter of learning the different settings and getting them right. That starts with reading the manual and spending time with the machine. Some people like simplicity right out of the box, and I can appreciate that too, but mostly I prefer a machine that I can program exactly the way I want for my sites. If I happen to screw it up................mea culpa.
The Deus is really not as complicated as some would believe; it's just a matter of learning the different settings and getting them right. That starts with reading the manual and spending time with the machine. Some people like simplicity right out of the box, and I can appreciate that too, but mostly I prefer a machine that I can program exactly the way I want for my sites. If I happen to screw it up................mea culpa.
I just got a AkA signum 7272 and it's great.Very fast,deep and quiet. I've owned a lot of machines,and this is hands down the best for me.3 frequency coil,go from 3to 7 to 14 kHz with the flip of a switch.The Russian got it right on this one,and they're coming.The learning curve was easy.Anyone who wants a light,deeep, quiet machine should take a look at this one.