Missouri Ma Betty22 said:
Sis digger, the scripture I was referring to is: John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 2 Kings--Elijah went up in a whirlwind so I guess he, the forgiven thief, Lazarus, the beggar (who ate the crumbs from the rich man's table) is resting on Abraham' Bosom somewhere in the heavens--wherever that part of heaven is, for I believe there are 3 heavens--with Jesus sitting on His Father God's right hand in Paradise the highest heaven! There was another one? who was caught up & seen no more but can't remember who it was & couldn't find it but know it is there some place in the Bible--anyway since they went up in their old bodies I'm guessing they will need their glorified bodies for God's kingdom where Jesus is! So many mysteries & miracles that were not written down during Jesus' time on earth! If someone has a different opinion than mine please speak up--I am only human & I err in many ways, too! God Bless! Oh, I get Elijah & Elisha mixed up, so rereading the scriptures helps! Sis Ma Betty
Good.
Good. Good. Good.
This Bible Study is leading us deeper and deeper. As it should! (Heh heh, I didn't mean to rhyme). I agree so many mysteries. That is why we need to keep digging deeper. I was getting kind of stagnant in my walk. This is the type of fellowship I was praying for.
Now before I say anymore, I want to make something perfectly clear: By no means do I wish to jump on a denomination bashing bandwagon. I just want to understand where, why and how certain beliefs and ideas came to be. Maybe I will receive understanding, maybe I won't IDK. Plus I don't think this is a "salvation issue" so there's a little room here. I think. And I, too, am only human and err, so ditto to what Ma said.
I always thought that when you die you go to heaven. I mean that's what I was always told by the grown ups.
Then I asked what R. I. P. meant? Rest In Peace. Well what does that mean? The grown ups told me that when you die you're body is buried and your soul "rests" there until Jesus comes to take you to Heaven. So.... when you die, you don't go straight to Heaven?
Then I hear this word" "Purgatory." What is that? At first I thought it was another name for Hell. Then, I'm told it's a place your soul goes and waits till God decides whether you go to Heaven or Hell. Later, I learn that some believe that's where your soul goes because no one goes straight to Heaven yet. It is not mentioned specifically in the Bible. It is implied. I found this site interesting: https://douglasbeaumont.com/2015/08/13/explaining-purgatory-to-protestants/
And the comments, too. I especially like the one where the guy points out that very scripture we were discussing:
D. Charles Pyle
August 13, 2015 at 3:26 pm
I have no idea why people feel the need to fight against the teaching. Jesus told the robber on the cross: “Today you will be with me in paradise.” Three days later, Jesus informs Mary Magdalene that he had not yet ascended into heaven.
So, where is this paradise to which the repentant robber was promised he would be with Jesus therein? It wasn’t heaven. Jesus himself had not yet gone to heaven three days afterward, and yet the paradise to which the robber would go and be with Jesus that very day of his death was promised.
Then I read these accounts in the Bible where people don't die, they are called up. It seems to imply to me that they are "in Heaven."
And how many times does the word "heavens" appear? Well I know it depends on which translation/version of the Bible you are reading. Still it implies different, shall I say, levels. If I may ask, Ma, why do believe there are 3?
Ugh! I've got my head spinning! One thing for me, I can certainly understand how there could be a whole lot of different denominations from this subject.
Where do I stand? This is a mystery that I will have to wait and see how it happens. I'm not surprised. I've gone through my whole life in the "school of hard knocks" why should my death be any different?
In my opinion, this is not a salvation issue. I believe God has chosen me. I know I am a new creation. I
will enter the Kingdom of Heaven through Jesus Christ, my Savior. Some day. His way.
~Sis digger