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Will Fisher ever make another 2 frequency unit?
- Thread starter ryaan21
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icurabeachguy
New member
I hope so! I've been wanting an updated CZ21 or waterproof multi-frequency machine for a while...tested others and they didn't impress me compared to the gold standard CZ-20/21. Heck, I'd probably even buy a waterproof PI if they ever produced one now that Carl is over at Fisher.
Ryaan21,
I would love to see Fisher come out with a multi-frequency machine designed more like the F75. I know they could do it. They have the best battery life of all the machines I have owned. I know you could hit pay dirt with about 5 frequencies best suited for gold and silver.
I would love to see Fisher come out with a multi-frequency machine designed more like the F75. I know they could do it. They have the best battery life of all the machines I have owned. I know you could hit pay dirt with about 5 frequencies best suited for gold and silver.
I'd really like to hope they keep the 2 freq design going, it's an awesome design/solution.
But I can't really have any faith that might happen...most detectors are designed by engineers who don't detect, and are marketed and sold by sales/management teams that dont' detect.
It's hard for them to see what we see. How can they? They just look at sales/profit numbers.
It's a lot like a factory consisting of deaf people getting into the headphone manufacturing game.
Or camping gear made by people who never go outdoors...which is perhaps a better analogy. Back when, old man Coleman would insist on personally taking every new piece of gear out camping before selling it as Coleman gear.
I think the passion and 'mojo' is gone from a lot of American made products, and I think it's primarily the fall-out from too many years of bean-counter management mindset...like say, for instance, how Steve Ballmer drove Microsoft off a cliff.
Say what you will about people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, but they were passionate visionaries who clearly understood their customers wants and needs.
Anyway, yes...hope they make a new one. I'd probably buy one.
mike
But I can't really have any faith that might happen...most detectors are designed by engineers who don't detect, and are marketed and sold by sales/management teams that dont' detect.
It's hard for them to see what we see. How can they? They just look at sales/profit numbers.
It's a lot like a factory consisting of deaf people getting into the headphone manufacturing game.
Or camping gear made by people who never go outdoors...which is perhaps a better analogy. Back when, old man Coleman would insist on personally taking every new piece of gear out camping before selling it as Coleman gear.
I think the passion and 'mojo' is gone from a lot of American made products, and I think it's primarily the fall-out from too many years of bean-counter management mindset...like say, for instance, how Steve Ballmer drove Microsoft off a cliff.
Say what you will about people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, but they were passionate visionaries who clearly understood their customers wants and needs.
Anyway, yes...hope they make a new one. I'd probably buy one.
mike
A new multi freq machine is coming. Tim Mallory, head of Marketing and Sales at First Texas announced this last summer on the Fisher FB Page. - Here's the quote.
"We have a mf in the hopper and it has recently moved from research to development, but it takes a long time to innovate a new machine of this caliber. "
"We have a mf in the hopper and it has recently moved from research to development, but it takes a long time to innovate a new machine of this caliber. "
I am maxed out on machines and my wife keeps an eye on them for me. I could never get a new one in the door without her knowing. I better come up with a plan because a new multi-frequency machine from Fisher will have to join the family. Makes my head spin with the possibilities.
Don
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Don
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Littlehugger
New member
Not sure about Gates. Is he responsible for Windows 8, or his g/f, "Bambi?"
What puzzles me is why Fisher dropped the CZ with its dual frequency? These are sought after classics even many years after, even with hyper nifty, multi-thousand dollar units from other big brands. It seemed the perfect combo of performance, price and features in a detector. Robust Fisher quality and warranty. Weather resistance, simple operation, maximum performance.
Why doesn't Fisher bring out a CZ-II, add in the 10 foot waterproofing of the AT, the telescoping rod and wireless headphones of the CTX, and good old multi-freq CZ performance in an easy to use electro-whizbang format?
What puzzles me is why Fisher dropped the CZ with its dual frequency? These are sought after classics even many years after, even with hyper nifty, multi-thousand dollar units from other big brands. It seemed the perfect combo of performance, price and features in a detector. Robust Fisher quality and warranty. Weather resistance, simple operation, maximum performance.
Why doesn't Fisher bring out a CZ-II, add in the 10 foot waterproofing of the AT, the telescoping rod and wireless headphones of the CTX, and good old multi-freq CZ performance in an easy to use electro-whizbang format?
Oh, perhaps because that to make it the same way as now, it would barely cover costs of a bunch of low volume, high cost and probably obsolete components.
To design a new Multi freq machine takes topinpme ane $$$ - and It sounds like FT is doing that, but maybe not as their top investment priority.
To design a new Multi freq machine takes topinpme ane $$$ - and It sounds like FT is doing that, but maybe not as their top investment priority.
Littlehugger said:
They didn't; still making the CZ-3D and CZ-21.
Although I would welcome a detector with the CZ's depth and ease of use at the ocean with the ergonomics of the F series, swappable coils and the ability to hunt neck deep in the water and not worry about the detector.
Cheers,
tvr
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Trojdor,
......But I can't really have any faith that might happen...most detectors are designed by engineers who don't detect, and are marketed and sold by sales/management teams that dont' detect. It's hard for them to see what we see. How can they? They just look at sales/profit numbers.....
That was a dumb statement that says you don't know anything at all about the metal detecting industry. If you just look at 1st Texas marketing team (Fisher/Tek/BH), Gene (Skully) and Mike are both long time relic hunters. The lead engineers/engineering managers are both long time metal detector users and designers. My understanding is that even the president of the company, Tom Walsh likes to swing a beeper.
That is just 1st Texas. I won't even bring up Garrett, and Whites, and Tesoro, who were all started and owned by actual treasure hunters and either have real treasure hunters on staff or consult regularly with them.
HH
Mike
......But I can't really have any faith that might happen...most detectors are designed by engineers who don't detect, and are marketed and sold by sales/management teams that dont' detect. It's hard for them to see what we see. How can they? They just look at sales/profit numbers.....
That was a dumb statement that says you don't know anything at all about the metal detecting industry. If you just look at 1st Texas marketing team (Fisher/Tek/BH), Gene (Skully) and Mike are both long time relic hunters. The lead engineers/engineering managers are both long time metal detector users and designers. My understanding is that even the president of the company, Tom Walsh likes to swing a beeper.
That is just 1st Texas. I won't even bring up Garrett, and Whites, and Tesoro, who were all started and owned by actual treasure hunters and either have real treasure hunters on staff or consult regularly with them.
HH
Mike
Mike,
I stand corrected about FT.
I was actually thinking of the 'inherited' U.S. companies in general, for whom the founding principals have since died, and the companies have lost some of the passion and drive of the original visionaries.
And for whom innovation has lost it's incentive.
That's my opinion, and based on conversations with current and previous employees. You are certainly free to hold a different view, and I respect that.
(I actaully believe that's true for a lot of American companies, not just the MD industry.)
I've actually been in the industry off and on for over 40 years, so I could and should have been more specific (and accurate) while ranting. Thanks for calling out the FT error. That was unfair to them.
I do stick by my conclusion that a new 2 freq unit will appear only when the sales/profit numbers look positive.
But as always, you have the right to hold a completely different view from mine, and I'll respect that.
(...and I promise not to call you dumb and ignorant on a public forum for disagreeing with me.)
HH
mike
I stand corrected about FT.
I was actually thinking of the 'inherited' U.S. companies in general, for whom the founding principals have since died, and the companies have lost some of the passion and drive of the original visionaries.
And for whom innovation has lost it's incentive.
That's my opinion, and based on conversations with current and previous employees. You are certainly free to hold a different view, and I respect that.
(I actaully believe that's true for a lot of American companies, not just the MD industry.)
I've actually been in the industry off and on for over 40 years, so I could and should have been more specific (and accurate) while ranting. Thanks for calling out the FT error. That was unfair to them.
I do stick by my conclusion that a new 2 freq unit will appear only when the sales/profit numbers look positive.
But as always, you have the right to hold a completely different view from mine, and I'll respect that.
(...and I promise not to call you dumb and ignorant on a public forum for disagreeing with me.)
HH
mike
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
I'm sorry Mike,
You are not dumb. Just mis-informed.
HH
Mike
You are not dumb. Just mis-informed.
HH
Mike
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
I'm sorry Mike,
I called the statement dumb. Not you. You were obviously just mis-informed or applying negative generalities to a subject you didn't have any knowledge about, which we all are sometimes guilty of. I know I am.
My appologies if I affended you.
HH
Mike
I called the statement dumb. Not you. You were obviously just mis-informed or applying negative generalities to a subject you didn't have any knowledge about, which we all are sometimes guilty of. I know I am.
My appologies if I affended you.
HH
Mike