Visited a National seashore park today. I ask about detecting just to be redundant. I mean after all its the peoples beach it doesn't belong to the grub-er-in-mint. Anyway got the usual spill about it being an archaeological,preservation site. They are reconstructing an Indian tribes trash pile. My big haunting question is that the ocean belongs to everyone and the beach up to the high tide line belongs to everyone. All beach goers can play,.frolic,build sand castles,dig holes,camp on the beach but we can't metal detect I even saw where some park naturalist had used a four wheeler to patrol the beach or check on turtle nesting areas. Pretty deep tire tracks in the loose sand. The beach up to the high tide line changes four times a day,everyday forever. Stuff gets washed up,uncovered and then recovered everyday day. There must be archaeologists riding the beach on a daily basis or monitoring beach cams all along the beach to find historical artifacts. On this particular beach a detectorist may walk several miles without getting a hit and then it would probably be trash. But there again archaeologists must be interested in reconstructing trash using gruber-in-mint funds i.e. taxpayer dollars. I walked about 150 yds of this beach and saw enough trash,plastics,bottles,KY tube,pull tabs to be able to write a book describing the life and times of the 21st century beach dwellers. Those archaeologists should be out there picking up the darn trash and leave us detectorists to enjoy our hobby.Oh Well just saying!!!!!! And any gruber-in-mint types reading this psssst!! a little secret we would pay a special permit users fee to do what we enjoy. You would make money,we would probably lose money. And another thing we may discover something of historical value that some archaeologist may never find without our effort. I promise you that the beach will still be there tomorrow because we will fill in our digging and what we miss mother nature will take care of for generations to come. It may even be a better place because we were there and removed a lot of trash and buried hazards????
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Why no detecting on the peoples beach?
- Thread starter Grunter
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Huh? 
I aint paying no permit to walk this Planet as a tax paying freeman! In fact, I believe I'm also a Native American, (my Aunt has high cheek bones, and according to Sen Elizabeth Warren, thats close enough!) 
I'm just here looking to pay my respects to my ancestors junk pit, and this detector is a part of my ceremonial garb! If you have any questions, you can take it up with the Tribal Elders of the Kissmyassie tribe...They generally meet on Wednesdays, at the casino breakfast buffet...gotta problem? Take it up with them!
Detecting Side note: If you are finding beer tabs, condom wrappers and KY tubes...focus up! Thats like THE primo spot for unintended valuable drops!
Mud
I aint paying no permit to walk this Planet as a tax paying freeman! In fact, I believe I'm also a Native American, (my Aunt has high cheek bones, and according to Sen Elizabeth Warren, thats close enough!) I'm just here looking to pay my respects to my ancestors junk pit, and this detector is a part of my ceremonial garb! If you have any questions, you can take it up with the Tribal Elders of the Kissmyassie tribe...They generally meet on Wednesdays, at the casino breakfast buffet...gotta problem? Take it up with them!
Detecting Side note: If you are finding beer tabs, condom wrappers and KY tubes...focus up! Thats like THE primo spot for unintended valuable drops!
Mud
The traditional American world view has been redefined by the "progressive" elite. We now live in a reconstituted feudal world where the nobility rule over the vassals who are the property of the collective as the Lord and his armies see fit. The God given rights we recognized in the Constitution and once conformed our laws to no longer are supreme. Since it is obvious where this sermon is going I will let the choir go home early. Why are things going to Heck in a handbasket (or rocket sled)? For too long good men have done nothing. Or have we been satisfied digging zinc pennies? Amen?
Pastor Tom
Pastor Tom
bootyhoundpa
Well-known member
I am not aware of ANY national parks that allow detecting.just the way it is I guess.but then again I dont get out much..I really enjoyed your reply mud, lmao....
We hear the term Native American and American Indian but if you think those that landed on the east coast and went west without sex; don't kid yourself.
A few hundred years back raiding parties captured women and children; I find it hard to believe that any of us could be anything but mongrel.
A few hundred years back raiding parties captured women and children; I find it hard to believe that any of us could be anything but mongrel.
Not sure the technical difference between a national seashore, and a national park is (in relation to the answer those people gave you), but we had the following situation occur here on a national park beach here in CA:
A newbie, who simply didn't know any better, went detecting there. He did well enough on his first try out, that he went again another day. And well enough on that day, that he just kept going every other day, for several months. As he got more attuned to his machine, and more and more skilled at pinpointing, recovery time, etc... his coin totals became staggering 100+ coins per day at times. With occasional gold rings too. And he was simply plying the dry sand at this point, because he hadn't even mastered the art and know-how of beach erosion wet-sand yet.
Eventually, he began to wonder why .... if the "pickens were this thick", that the locals were not "all over it"? Because by this time, he'd figured out there was other md'rs in his area. So he wondered why no one was on top of this, harvesting all these easy gimmees. But he wasn't complaining! Finally he began to be acquainted with others in his area. Because he got on forums, met some locals, etc.. And only THEN, after letting down his guard and telling a few of them where his 'honey-hole' was, did he began to hear the rumors of "off-limits".
At first he thought they *MUST* be mistaken. Afterall, why would ANY beach be "off-limits"? Doh! And certainly if this claim were true, well then someone would have said something to him by now, right? Therefore THEY must be the ones who were/are mistaken. Because you see, he had gone in full day-time traffic. Right in front of lifeguard towers. Right past rangers. etc... No one cared. Doh!
But as time went on, and he looked into other's claims, he began to see what they were referring to. And only THEN did it occur to him why the pickens were so good: because all the locals assumed you couldn't do it! That certain imminent arrest, jail, etc... awaited anyone who dare think of it!
You can see the guy's dilema now, right? Does he simply keep going or not?
A newbie, who simply didn't know any better, went detecting there. He did well enough on his first try out, that he went again another day. And well enough on that day, that he just kept going every other day, for several months. As he got more attuned to his machine, and more and more skilled at pinpointing, recovery time, etc... his coin totals became staggering 100+ coins per day at times. With occasional gold rings too. And he was simply plying the dry sand at this point, because he hadn't even mastered the art and know-how of beach erosion wet-sand yet.
Eventually, he began to wonder why .... if the "pickens were this thick", that the locals were not "all over it"? Because by this time, he'd figured out there was other md'rs in his area. So he wondered why no one was on top of this, harvesting all these easy gimmees. But he wasn't complaining! Finally he began to be acquainted with others in his area. Because he got on forums, met some locals, etc.. And only THEN, after letting down his guard and telling a few of them where his 'honey-hole' was, did he began to hear the rumors of "off-limits".
At first he thought they *MUST* be mistaken. Afterall, why would ANY beach be "off-limits"? Doh! And certainly if this claim were true, well then someone would have said something to him by now, right? Therefore THEY must be the ones who were/are mistaken. Because you see, he had gone in full day-time traffic. Right in front of lifeguard towers. Right past rangers. etc... No one cared. Doh!
But as time went on, and he looked into other's claims, he began to see what they were referring to. And only THEN did it occur to him why the pickens were so good: because all the locals assumed you couldn't do it! That certain imminent arrest, jail, etc... awaited anyone who dare think of it!
You can see the guy's dilema now, right? Does he simply keep going or not?Tom, NO! His innocent/ignorance chakra has been compromised by asking too many questions! His search for knowledge has now deprived him of that protecting force!
If he tries to go again like he used to, in the middle of the day out in front of God and everybody, he has relinquished and discarded the power he unknowingly had! He will be arrested, lose his gear and maybe his car, possibly do time, and all the imagined fears he now has will come to fruition! Thats how the Universe works! He could have hunted it for years if he did not get all curious George and havta go axing legal queskins and all...His innocent ignorance chakra would have protected him from the wrath of TPTB. However, now that he is "enlightened", all is not lost.
His only hope to ever hunt there again is to get really good at paying attention to the cuts and blowouts and strategically time a beach raid, based upon knowing the rangers schedules, weather, water temp and time.
He also must adjust his chakra's strength setting from the supremely powerful one of being invisibly ignorant innocent to said foes, to that of a Pirate, which of course is not as strong, since theres obvious intent, but can still be employed with great results. He may only get one or two days out of the year for a successful sortie of this nature, and he better get a grip on how his third eye works and what its there for...prepare himself mentally with a rollodex full of fictional excuses, it helps to know a few words of an European dialect, like "omelette due fromage, volle le footballparken, sprechen ze deutsch? eich ben ein berliner?" Gotta just keep babbling if confronted by an American authority figure since most US cops generally have a hard time understanding the regional dialects of this nation! They will figure the guys is some sort of dopey foreigner and run him off with a warning...just be ready to rattle on in French, Italian, Danish, hell, toss in a few Latin phrases, they dont have to make sense, just enough to convince a questioning authority that you are not a mexican, canadian, or from alabama is all a guy needs...also, be ready to run, and have a plan B if you get tackled!...(re Lawyers,Guns and Money...copy right, warren zevon)
If this "friend" of yours, has ever exhibited the propensity for being generally Lucky in Life, a person who enjoys a bit of adventure, exhibits some daring do, rapscallioness, and joi-de-vivre, without ever getting caught for any malfeasance, I would say he should plan carefully and go Pirate on that place!.....If however, he is a meek and timid soul, not creative or fast on his feet physically or linguistically, likes to answer truthfully when a stranger asks him questions, he should call it a day and go hunt pennies in a park...at least now he knows he has a strong innocence/ignorance chakra he can rely on when he finds a new hobby, like maybe gambling or Amway...what a lucky baztard! Full disclosure: I hunt for pennies, and in no way condone the behavior or Pirates, Rapscallions, Trespassers, or any other aggregious reprobateable behavior that may damage the reputation of us or our hobby!
Mud
If he tries to go again like he used to, in the middle of the day out in front of God and everybody, he has relinquished and discarded the power he unknowingly had! He will be arrested, lose his gear and maybe his car, possibly do time, and all the imagined fears he now has will come to fruition! Thats how the Universe works! He could have hunted it for years if he did not get all curious George and havta go axing legal queskins and all...His innocent ignorance chakra would have protected him from the wrath of TPTB. However, now that he is "enlightened", all is not lost.
His only hope to ever hunt there again is to get really good at paying attention to the cuts and blowouts and strategically time a beach raid, based upon knowing the rangers schedules, weather, water temp and time.
He also must adjust his chakra's strength setting from the supremely powerful one of being invisibly ignorant innocent to said foes, to that of a Pirate, which of course is not as strong, since theres obvious intent, but can still be employed with great results. He may only get one or two days out of the year for a successful sortie of this nature, and he better get a grip on how his third eye works and what its there for...prepare himself mentally with a rollodex full of fictional excuses, it helps to know a few words of an European dialect, like "omelette due fromage, volle le footballparken, sprechen ze deutsch? eich ben ein berliner?" Gotta just keep babbling if confronted by an American authority figure since most US cops generally have a hard time understanding the regional dialects of this nation! They will figure the guys is some sort of dopey foreigner and run him off with a warning...just be ready to rattle on in French, Italian, Danish, hell, toss in a few Latin phrases, they dont have to make sense, just enough to convince a questioning authority that you are not a mexican, canadian, or from alabama is all a guy needs...also, be ready to run, and have a plan B if you get tackled!...(re Lawyers,Guns and Money...copy right, warren zevon)
If this "friend" of yours, has ever exhibited the propensity for being generally Lucky in Life, a person who enjoys a bit of adventure, exhibits some daring do, rapscallioness, and joi-de-vivre, without ever getting caught for any malfeasance, I would say he should plan carefully and go Pirate on that place!.....If however, he is a meek and timid soul, not creative or fast on his feet physically or linguistically, likes to answer truthfully when a stranger asks him questions, he should call it a day and go hunt pennies in a park...at least now he knows he has a strong innocence/ignorance chakra he can rely on when he finds a new hobby, like maybe gambling or Amway...what a lucky baztard!
Full disclosure: I hunt for pennies, and in no way condone the behavior or Pirates, Rapscallions, Trespassers, or any other aggregious reprobateable behavior that may damage the reputation of us or our hobby!Mud
Hey mud, let's be totally honest here: Let's say that had just been you. And you had gone totally in broad daylight, un-bothered, in front of anyone and everyone (even rangers, etc.. ) for several months. And you'd been getting 100 to 200 coins per day, as fast as you could dig, in seemingly virgin towel-line sand. And you were getting a gold ring or so every other hunt in those totals. And now, lo & behold, someone tells you "I thought you can't detect there?". Ok, what would you do? Seriously now, can you blame the fellow if he just continued to go? I mean, by this time, it had become totally clear that no one cared. So .... would you fault the guy for merely continuing? I mean, we're not talking some sensitive monument here for pete's sake, we're talking the frickin beach!
Robert2300
New member
I wonder how many people hunt those beaches anyway, regardless of the so called law.
And what congressional idiot decided to make beaches off limits to MDing anyway? I mean
did some one protest and say, "HEY! These guys are ruining our sand! " Stop it! Jeez.
Robt2300
And what congressional idiot decided to make beaches off limits to MDing anyway? I mean
did some one protest and say, "HEY! These guys are ruining our sand! " Stop it! Jeez.
Robt2300
robert2300, coondog and mudpuppy, and I am disgusted by your posts. How can you say such a thing? CERTAINLY it is our duty to go track down minutia that *could* be morphed to apply to us, if you kept asking long enough, and hard enough, of enough desk-bound bureaucrats and purist archies? And keep asking till you get a "no", and then go post it on forums so everyone else can say "oh me oh my we can't detect"! And never mind that no one cared less till you asked. Or that you can detect till you're blue in the face and no one ever cared!
Now recant of your tasteless comments. And then send me all your ill-gotten gains, and I will absolve your conscience of all guilt.
Now recant of your tasteless comments. And then send me all your ill-gotten gains, and I will absolve your conscience of all guilt.
Robert2300
New member
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Wow. That was a wierd response. Can anyone make heads or tails of it?
Robt2300
Wow. That was a wierd response. Can anyone make heads or tails of it?
Robt2300
If you're referring to my post, I was posting in jest, to poke fun at the strange things that md'rs get all rowled up and worry about, wondering if it applies to md'ing or not. So they go seeking clarification of archies, gardeners, and desk-bound bureacrats and guess what? Someone tells you "no you can't". And what odd in a ton of those situations is, that no one ever cared less before that , and detecting was just common-place. Hmm, gee, it was a good thing they asked then, right? So my post was in jest.
Robert2300
New member
Jest? You sure had ME fooled. But I've been called an old fool
any way, not to mention a few names I can't say here on the board.
Robt2300
any way, not to mention a few names I can't say here on the board.
Robt2300
scorpio264
New member
Why no detecting in National Parks?
Because they will confiscate your gear.
Maybe only people with cheap detectors should hunt there!
Because they will confiscate your gear.
Maybe only people with cheap detectors should hunt there!
EL Pulltabio
New member
I've never heard of anyone running into a problem detecting on a public salt water beach.
There are probably exceptions like Jekyll Island in Georgia but much of that island is state owned.
I live in the South where it's too hot to detect during those hot summer days. One night, I'm detecting
behind a gated community in shallow salt water. A security guard marches out with a powerful flashlight
shinning in my face. "What are you doing?" he sneered. I replied that that question didn't deserve an answer.
Then I pointed to the homes and businesses that stood within the community. I told him that his
responsibility ended where their property line ended. I stated too, that I was standing in the Atlantic Ocean
and yelled, "get away from me." He replied that he would call and report me to the local sheriff's department.
I replied, "go right ahead. They'll tell you the same thing." That was 3 years ago and I still detect there....even
though I have to hike 2 miles along the beach to bypass the guard shack.
It helps when you've spent nearly 30 years as a big city cop to know not to be intimidated by a security guard.
There are probably exceptions like Jekyll Island in Georgia but much of that island is state owned.
I live in the South where it's too hot to detect during those hot summer days. One night, I'm detecting
behind a gated community in shallow salt water. A security guard marches out with a powerful flashlight
shinning in my face. "What are you doing?" he sneered. I replied that that question didn't deserve an answer.
Then I pointed to the homes and businesses that stood within the community. I told him that his
responsibility ended where their property line ended. I stated too, that I was standing in the Atlantic Ocean
and yelled, "get away from me." He replied that he would call and report me to the local sheriff's department.
I replied, "go right ahead. They'll tell you the same thing." That was 3 years ago and I still detect there....even
though I have to hike 2 miles along the beach to bypass the guard shack.
It helps when you've spent nearly 30 years as a big city cop to know not to be intimidated by a security guard.
Let me pose a more realistic response to no detecting on National seashore beaches. Anyone can and do take various sand shovels e-tools and other digging devices and dig to China,or dig a trench 100 yds long and 6' deep and no-one will say a word because the people are enjoying the beach. And it really doesn't matter if they recover their holes unlike most metal detectorists who will recover their holes so as not to create a saftey hazard. The powers to be know that the shifting tides will fill in the holes. Now there are signs that say do not disturb plant life or animals. How many plants have you seen growing on or below the high tide line? How many birds don't fly away when you get too close to them? We as detectorists are engageing in a lawful,recreational hobby that does more public service than other beach users. We carry off various and sundry metal objects that can pose a real threat to human and animal life. I bet as a group we carry off tons of lead sinkers that can deterioate in the surf producing a possible lead posioning case with wildlife. And HEY!! if we accidently find the sunken city of Atlantis we will surely share it with the Archae's who will never find it without us. I quarantee the powers to be that if allowed I would find more trash and remove it from the beach than any other group using the beach. Come on give us a break,We are American tax payers too and we have just as much right to pursue our happiness on the publics beach as anyone else. And if you want us to we will collect all of the seashells and pile them in a 50' high pile and the Archae's can study it and call it a 1000 yr. olf native American trash pile. Maybe we could just pile all of the metal junk in a pile and hundreds of years from now an Archae' can dig it up,reconstruct it and have our grand children 10 times over enjoy a mound of trash found by their great grandparents many times removed. Protect the dunes,the plant life,animal life and artifacts but also do your duty and protect the peoples right to pursue their hobby and happines. Maybe I'll leave my detector at home take my sand scoop and dig a 50'x50' grid and sift the sand. The likly hood of me finding anything would probably be close to the percentage of finding anything with my detector. Go,Go tide run away! Come back ,comeback tide lets play another day.