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Why hunt in Conductive?

Tony N (Michigan)

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[size=large]I always hunt in Ferrous so the iron sound low and conductive targets sound higher. I usually hunt in All Metal. It seems the SE Pro resets much faster going from an iron hit to a conductive hit in A.M.

Yesterday I tried hunting in Conductive and it drove me batty with iron sounding high pitched. I found I had to constantly watch my screen.

So why would one want to hunt in Conductive unless they had all the iron disced out?[/size]
 
You just answered your own question Tony, that's why the lack of replies. Using the Explorer I'll run Ferrous 98% of the time. The other 2% of the time I'm trying CO sounds and then switching back. I like hearing everything and iron as the "threshold". Conductive sounds,I believe because I got it from a really good source, will be more accurate with ID on deep coins. Most people hunt with at least SOME disc when using CO sounds in a park, but then also alter their sweep speed to the site. A place with lots of targets should have shortened sweeps as it's easier to tell if something repeats in a sea of non-repeating targets(falses).
IMHO, either FE or CO sounds can work as long as the user knows what they are listening for. The machine is seeing the same target the same way,just reporting it in a slightly different way depending on which mode you use.
I appreciate a person who is always looking to learn and looking for the edge. I am also that person. In today's detecting climate we need every advantage possible,along with as much information as we can get! I hope I've done you right with what was said here...if not, I'm sure someone will be along to slap some sense into me.:lol:
 
Thanks IDXMonster!
I didn't know there was a difference in what the Explorer reported on deep coins in Fer vs. Con. Learn something every day. Thanks for that bit of info!
I went from an old Relco to the XS so I didn't really know what I was doing.
When the XS first came out all I did was detect in the setup they had from the factory. It was in conductive with half the screen blacked out. You know what I'm talking about.
The factory gain at 7 and sense in auto and around 20. I didn't know any better. But was hearing whisper targets that turned out to be super deep wheatbacks. If only I knew
what I was doing back then. We've learned a lot since then. Now in my SE Pro I hunt in A.M., Fer., and sense as high as it is still stable and sometimes a little higher with Gain sometimes at 10.
And a lot lot lot slower sweep speed around trash.
 
Yep I do the same thing. Whether it's "proper" or not who knows....but it's the only way it works for us in these places.
 
It's all personal preference .....I went back and re-read the Explorer/Etrac Handbook by Andy Sabisch...It's got a great description of going from the Explorer to the Etrac ....There are some great topic's on each machine with really good comparisons ... One thing that stuck in my head that I used early on , was one of the guys was talking about inching your way around in a park or in heavy trash and was talking about setting up so that you could move and scan a larger area first , and later going in with a fine tooth comb to find targets .....If you spend too much time in one small area in All Metal , you are less apt to find targets .....You're limiting yourself ..... .I"m not saying that this a wrong way to search, I'm merely stating what another detectorist had mentioned his method , and a practice that I use today ....I use to hunt parks that were totally littered with trash ...These parks had some great finds but you needed an inkling of a sound to begin the process .....If I wanted to hunt in All Metal , All the time , I could spend upwards of an hour on a square yard of ground !!... I stood a better chance of finding some good targets if I moved around first ...I would start with a program with some discrimination , move around with some discrimination , and THEN go over what I thought was a target in A.M. to see how it sounded with everyting around it .....The Etrac with it's "see thru" abilities was a truly great asset when hunting these parks .... Again , I am NOT saying that my way is the best way ....It's the best way FOR ME !!.....YMMV ..... This method works whether you hunt in Con. or Fe. ......
 
My introduction to FBS was with the Explorer II. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. I bought it when it was released to the market in 03 maybe early 04 I can't remember. Anyway I read the manual and started detecting. I left the sounds in conductive. I learned the machine and the tones it made. After months of use I stumbled upon this site and some settings (Mike Moutray Sp?) So I tried them. The settings were in conductive as well. But I started finding deeper targets and really liked the program. Later, maybe 6 months after enjoying these settings, I read some more about others using ferrous tones and AM or Iron Mask -16. I tried this and just could not find the patience to switch. I knew enough in conductive to decipher good and bad targets, was finding deep silver, and enjoying the hunt. So why switch? I was more frustrated trying to learn ferrous and digging more iron. So there is your answer from my experience. Hope it helped.
 
kingingkunsan said:
My introduction to FBS was with the Explorer II. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. I bought it when it was released to the market in 03 maybe early 04 I can't remember. Anyway I read the manual and started detecting. I left the sounds in conductive. I learned the machine and the tones it made. After months of use I stumbled upon this site and some settings (Mike Moutray Sp?) So I tried them. The settings were in conductive as well. But I started finding deeper targets and really liked the program. Later, maybe 6 months after enjoying these settings, I read some more about others using ferrous tones and AM or Iron Mask -16. I tried this and just could not find the patience to switch. I knew enough in conductive to decipher good and bad targets, was finding deep silver, and enjoying the hunt. So why switch? I was more frustrated trying to learn ferrous and digging more iron. So there is your answer from my experience. Hope it helped.

Thanks kinginkunsan,
When I try to detect in Conductive I find that the Ferrous tones are high and the Conductive tones are high and this causes me to constantly look at the screen on every hit.
When I detect in Ferrous, the iron gives a deep tone and Conductive coins give a high tone. This way I'm not always having to glance at the screen. It is only when I get a good conductive hit that I look.

I have no idea if hunting in either mode is advantageous depth-wise.

I started out with Minelab when the Explorer XS came out. I hunted in the factory setup and didn't change anything. All the ferrous side was blacked out. The detector was in Conductive. So, the iron hits were not a problem.
Then I discovered All Metal. That's when problems cropped up using the Conductive mode. So I went and set it to Ferrous and that solved that problem with all the similar sounds.
 
Tony N (Michigan) said:
kingingkunsan said:
My introduction to FBS was with the Explorer II. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. I bought it when it was released to the market in 03 maybe early 04 I can't remember. Anyway I read the manual and started detecting. I left the sounds in conductive. I learned the machine and the tones it made. After months of use I stumbled upon this site and some settings (Mike Moutray Sp?) So I tried them. The settings were in conductive as well. But I started finding deeper targets and really liked the program. Later, maybe 6 months after enjoying these settings, I read some more about others using ferrous tones and AM or Iron Mask -16. I tried this and just could not find the patience to switch. I knew enough in conductive to decipher good and bad targets, was finding deep silver, and enjoying the hunt. So why switch? I was more frustrated trying to learn ferrous and digging more iron. So there is your answer from my experience. Hope it helped.

Thanks kinginkunsan,
When I try to detect in Conductive I find that the Ferrous tones are high and the Conductive tones are high and this causes me to constantly look at the screen on every hit.
When I detect in Ferrous, the iron gives a deep tone and Conductive coins give a high tone. This way I'm not always having to glance at the screen. It is only when I get a good conductive hit that I look.

I have no idea if hunting in either mode is advantageous depth-wise.

I started out with Minelab when the Explorer XS came out. I hunted in the factory setup and didn't change anything. All the ferrous side was blacked out. The detector was in Conductive. So, the iron hits were not a problem.
Then I discovered All Metal. That's when problems cropped up using the Conductive mode. So I went and set it to Ferrous and that solved that problem with all the similar sounds.

I swear I remember hunting in Ferrous and getting high pitch tones and digging iron. But it could be my memory is wrong. I will try the Ferrous tones again but it will have to wait until 2018. I am in South Korea right now and the EX II is in the U.S. :(
 
kingingkunsan said:
Tony N (Michigan) said:
kingingkunsan said:
My introduction to FBS was with the Explorer II. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. I bought it when it was released to the market in 03 maybe early 04 I can't remember. Anyway I read the manual and started detecting. I left the sounds in conductive. I learned the machine and the tones it made. After months of use I stumbled upon this site and some settings (Mike Moutray Sp?) So I tried them. The settings were in conductive as well. But I started finding deeper targets and really liked the program. Later, maybe 6 months after enjoying these settings, I read some more about others using ferrous tones and AM or Iron Mask -16. I tried this and just could not find the patience to switch. I knew enough in conductive to decipher good and bad targets, was finding deep silver, and enjoying the hunt. So why switch? I was more frustrated trying to learn ferrous and digging more iron. So there is your answer from my experience. Hope it helped.

Thanks kinginkunsan,
When I try to detect in Conductive I find that the Ferrous tones are high and the Conductive tones are high and this causes me to constantly look at the screen on every hit.
When I detect in Ferrous, the iron gives a deep tone and Conductive coins give a high tone. This way I'm not always having to glance at the screen. It is only when I get a good conductive hit that I look.

I have no idea if hunting in either mode is advantageous depth-wise.

I started out with Minelab when the Explorer XS came out. I hunted in the factory setup and didn't change anything. All the ferrous side was blacked out. The detector was in Conductive. So, the iron hits were not a problem.
Then I discovered All Metal. That's when problems cropped up using the Conductive mode. So I went and set it to Ferrous and that solved that problem with all the similar sounds.

I swear I remember hunting in Ferrous and getting high pitch tones and digging iron. But it could be my memory is wrong. I will try the Ferrous tones again but it will have to wait until 2018. I am in South Korea right now and the EX II is in the U.S. :(

Learn the iron falsing bounce pattern, where iron hits when falsing high and you won't dig anymore iron in Ferrous. Simply turning 90 degrees and sweeping the target again and 95% of the iron will then ID as iron problem solved. That said, silver hiding next to iron, again knowing where iron bounces back and forth between iron (top left corner) and iron falsing (right edge of screen, cursor half off the right edge, center of cursor down about 1/4 to 3/8 inch from the top)...if you seen the cursor deviating from that right edge location, popping up into the classic positions of silver dime or quarter, or indian cent for that matter, that's a tip off you have a co-located target of iron/coin. :thumbup:
 
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