mitwes56 said:
First let me say I own an xterra 50 and considering upgrading to a xterra 70 but I am waiting to see if minelab surprises us with an upgraded 90.
Digger's response:
I've been involved with the X-Terra since it's initial field trials. I have not heard any comments from Minelab, as to the release of another model in the X-Terra series. But on the other hand, I've got a few modifications and changes I'd like to see implemented, if they do. A wider stand would be among them.
Mine lab has always been close mouthed on there new releases.
I think most manufacturers are "closed mouth" with their new releases. Cars, computer operating systems and metal detectors. Not much to talk about, really, until they are available to the public. Anything prior to actual "hands-on" use is just marketing hype, as far as I am concerned.
Like when the xterra 50 came out and everyone rushed out to buy them and then 2 months later they popped the xterra 70 on the public.
The X-30 and X-50 came out in the fall of 2005. The X-70 didn't come out until the middle of March, the following year.
My peeve is why has minelab not made a simple and cheap styling change on the stand on the xterra line. People have been heating and melting the legs to get wider stance, coming up with pcp pipe stands, clip on stands, folding tripod stands and complaining for years now over how top heavy the xterra is and how easily it tips over.
I won't disagree that the X-Terra housing control is mounted in such a way that it makes the detector "top heavy" if, and when, you set it on the ground. A wider stand might remedy the situation. I believe that the X-Terra is "the way it is" in an effort to keep the control housing easily accessible. And at the same time, minimize the overall weight of the detector. For years, folks have complained about the location of the controls on Sovereigns, Eurekas and Muskies. And, they have complained about the ergonomic design of the Explorer and Quattro. The X-Terra removed those complaints. But in doing so, they apparently created a new one for some. As to Minelab coming out with "an aftermarket" solution...... would you prefer a folding tripod stand, a clip on stand, or just making the legs wider on the existing stand? My point is, these aftermarket solutions are already available. What would be the point in Minelab doing any one of them, again? Maybe implement this into a new release. But I can't imagine any manufacturer spending money on this, as an aftermarket accessory product. Of course, I could be wrong.
I think they should at least offer something in the after market arena like they did the shorter rod they came out with to replace the way to long rod the xterra was introduced with.
You mention that you use an XLT. My XLT middle rod has four holes for length adjustment. Measuring from the middle of the grip base to the coil mount, it measures 32.5-inches at it's shortest setting to 40-inches at it's longest. The X-Terra middle rod has 6 holes for adjusting the lower rod from 34-inches to 42-inches. That is 1.5-inches longer than the White's at the shortest length. But again, it has 6 adjustment holes. Not just 4 as on the White's. Interesting to note that White's doesn't make a shorter rod for their detectors. In fact, the only other rod they make is actually 10-inches longer than the stock one I described. If the X-Terra stock lower rod is too long, I have to wonder why White's accessory rod is 10-inches longer than their stock rod? Maybe White's and Minelab know something about the market that we don't? And maybe that is why fewer than 5% of the X-Terra sales have resulted in the sale of a shorter lower rod.
Another weak point that I have experienced is the bubbles on the menue buttons. My xterra 50 main menue button went flat and was hard to navigate so I called minelab and they rushed me another control head. This is when the xterra 50 first came out. I have a whites xlt with the same bubble type menue buttons and they are much stronger feeling and crisper and can actually hear them when you click them. I have heard others on the forum complain about this button problem also.
Glad to hear they rushed you another control head when you had a problem. In addition to the X-Terras, I have an XLT. From a physical standpoint, the White's pads are designed much differently than the Minelabs. Better? I suppose you would think so if you never had problems with the White's and did with the Minelab. So far I've not had any problem with either of them. But recognizing that they are highly sophisticated pieces of electronic equipment, I am careful to only press it enough to activate the microswitch.
Just seems minelab would put alittle more quality in the product especially when your getting up there in the 800 dollar range with the xterra 70.
$400 for an X-30, $600 for an X-50, $700 for an X-70, $900 for an XLT, $1000 for an F-75, $950 for a GTI 2500 and $1100 for a DFX. At those prices, you'd think they'd all be perfect. It's easy to find fault. But when you take everything into consideration, and read some of the problems other manufacturers are having with new releases, you'll recognize the X-Terra has a much better "track record" than many others. When they do what we want them to do, it's an investment. When they don't, it is an expense. (and a pain in the A$$) JMHO HH Randy