it seems to me almost everybody coin shoots, no matter what else they look for. i simply do not understand why garrett [ or someone else, for that matter ] does not engineer an all-out coin detector, as that appears to me to be what most folks look for the most. . the market is definately there, it seems to me. i just retired and am getting back into the game, and will PROBABLY get one of the new AT gold when they come out. i especially like the water-proofing of that unit, and it SHOULD do a decent job of coin shooting. someone suggested that it needs a ''notch'' mode which it apparently lacks. which makes me wonder,, why not engineer a dedicated machine with the optimum frequency, disc. modes, what-evers for coins??? i'll buy one,, so would 1,000's of others i'd bet.... are you listening, garrett????
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why doesn't garrett make a hard-core dedicated coin detector???
- Thread starter dufus
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bearkat4160
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Uh what? Garrett makes one of the best coin shooters in the world! The GTI 1500. It is what it is designed for. Here is a blog post about the 1500 touting its awesome coin shotting ability.
The GTI 1500 is the best coin shooter I've ever seen...Where have you been?
The AT Gold is NOT a coin shooter...you cannot notch out segments in it. You will be disapointed with the AT Gold for coins I assure you.
The GTI 1500 is the best coin shooter I've ever seen...Where have you been?
The AT Gold is NOT a coin shooter...you cannot notch out segments in it. You will be disapointed with the AT Gold for coins I assure you.
And it's water proof. too. And as previously mentioned, the GTI 1500 is the "BEST" coin shooter out there. Garrett has the exclusive (patented) Imaging feature which allows you to only dig up coin sized targets.
http://www.garrett.com/hobbysite/hbby_gti_1500_main.aspx
http://www.garrett.com/hobbysite/hbby_gti_1500_main.aspx
quarterhorse
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the ultimate coin shooter, I would increase my "mileage" by substituting a 1972 Vega engine for some real treasure............uses a 21 cubic zirconia...
, sure glad they didn't prototype it with an AT Pro.dufus said:
Use this one for coin shooting in your "creek"
http://www.aquavak.com/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0V9LpRfG8A
did he have it going on,, or what?????? in all truthfulness, that ain't EXACTLY what i had in mind. i thought i had asked a perfectly legitimate, logical question,, as it seems none of the manufacturers are marketing a product that is specifically a coin hunter. it would seen they could optimize a detector geared specifically towards coins, and that would be good market strategy. although i have been out of the game for 30 years, the last one i bought was called the ''coin hunter'', with a decal proclaiming that on the housing. but,, what do i know, i'm just re-learning what's out there. maybe i will send my unit to garrett and just see if they can fix it, that sucker would sho'nuff find you some coins. in the early 80's, i bought some type of $500-$600 white's [ which was high-dollar in those days ] due to a lot of hype i'd read about how well and swell they worked. turned out, the ''coin hunter'' would eat it's lunch, and i sold it to some chump.
The AT Pro housing is water proof to 10 feet. The ACE housing is not water proof.
Rufus, he is just pulling your chain. He keeps the humor going on the forums........ welcome back to metal detecting. Technology has advanced considerably since your days with the BFO's. Garrett's detectors are pretty well all engineered with coin hunting in mind.
quarterhorse
New member
dufus said:
OK for just a brief amount of time the 1/4 horse will be serious, don't expect it too often though!
In a marketing sense I think you cut your nose off when you "specialize" in one field, such as a detector only being marketed as a gold machine, relic machine, or coin machine. Some machines and models might be better at detecting low conductivity or high conductive metal due to the frequency they operate on but they haven't made one to my knowledge that doesn't see what we perceive now as unwanted junk.......of which todays "junk" might very well be the next generations treasures!
Coins as your thinking "80" 's US coins were copper, nickel, and combinations of alloys involving copper. Prior to that (1964) coins were 90% copper, 90% silver, and 90% gold.
Now we have cheap alloys of zinc and copper clad in our US coins, BUT "coins" being an international monetary venture also are made of aluminium and alloyed with aluminium. We have steel core coins, and way too many kinds of metallic alloys to corral as any speciality unit of metal to key in on.
So the use of "modes" has become the norm, aka: coin mode, relic mode, jewelery mode, by the use of discrimination, and VDI one can market a machine that can be used to detect the metal "coins" found in any country, and not have to make a machine, say for use only in the USA, a different one for Canada, one for Mexico.......ect. ect.
The problem being is the monetary system as we know it is going towards cheaper metals now. The intrinsic value of the coin once exceeding the stamped numerical value will doom that coin, to even a cheaper metallic model in the future. A lot of countries latest actions are to do away with the lower denominational coins, because the cost to produce them exceeds the value of the coin.
Times up..
..all seriousness aside just wait until they start making coins here out of recycled pull tabs.........
........thats when the nightmare in 
starts. Have fun with it,
QH
thanks for that informative reply quarterhorse. as dumb as i am, some of that made sense to me. i reckon i ought to go on and disclose the fact that charles garrett HAS NOT called me recently asking for marketing strategy. this was something i simply was wondering about. it just SEEMED to me that with today's technology, they could make a super-deluxe, sooper-dooper coin machine,,, but,, what do i know???? i'm just throwing flat rocks across the pond, seeing how many times they will skip. now,,, if they would just combine the GTI1500 with the PRO's water proof housing,,, that's what i'm talking about, bubba!!! i remember clear as a bell, having to wrap my detector years in saran wrap [ or ever what it was in those days ] and a weather tight housing appeals to me. maybe i should buy a 1500 and several boxes of saran wrap?????
quarterhorse
New member
Hey lots of people are wanting to see their favorite unit placed into a "water proof housing" I think John E actually used a bread bag and a couple of rolls of duct tape.........LOL for his ACE 250, prior to the AT Pro coming on scene.
Maybe one of the aftermarket guru's will see a market niche for aftermarket waterproofing the older landlocked favorites? Maybe the manufacturing companies will make all their units "weather proof" in the future, it all depends on which way the trends go.
Best Regards
Quarterhorse
Maybe one of the aftermarket guru's will see a market niche for aftermarket waterproofing the older landlocked favorites? Maybe the manufacturing companies will make all their units "weather proof" in the future, it all depends on which way the trends go.
Best Regards
Quarterhorse
Fishers Ghost
New member
dufus said:
Aside from a couple of gold machines in the early days,hasn't just about every detector Garrett has made been a coin & relic detector with each one being an improvement on the previous model.
Making them all WP is a costly game, not everybody needs WP although rain proof would be handy for most detectors.
When you make them WP to around 10 foot, well you can be sure that they will leak a bit 10 foot isn't much and if you detect in the waves there will be times when wave pressure just shoves the water in through the seals. I think if you are going to say 10 foot WP then the machine would have to be able to withstand an over pressure of at least 20 foot momentarily.
Muddyshoes
New member
Welcome back to the hobby after 30 years... A lot has changed, and I was a Garrett coin hunter back then as well.
The GTI 1500 is the perfect mix of size, functionality and sturdiness. The biggest improvement with this model is the "imaging" feature which tells you the approximate diameter of the object, which means it will tell you if the object fits within a diameter range that all U.S. coins fit into. Back in the day, we could usually guess this pretty much by just learning how to 'listen,' to the tone. Today's detectors give you information via a display and while you still learn a lot about your target by the sound, you won't need to have your hearing as honed.
The GTI 2500 does more, and while it's only a half-pound heavier, it is bulky.
The Ace 150/250/350 are lightweight detectors and the 250 is a solid coin machine, however, if you are used to the Garrett Green detectors, these will seem cheap, lightweight and fragile. They are sturdier than they look and are great performers, but I'm just not a fan of the form factor and color.
The AT Pro is a great machine for coin hunting, but lacks the imaging feature of the GTI series, and the Double D searchcoil is really, and let's be honest here, a pain in the ass, even if it is more suited to use in highly mineralized soil. If you're used to cross-cross pinpointing of traditional searchcoils, it will take some time to learn the "DD" specific tip/tail/wiggle method of pinpointing, and when using in the water, it's even more a pain in the ass.
Most detectors today have done away with the threshold feature, but higher end models will carry it. Not sure why, I always preferred hearing a threshold sound, even with auto-retuning VLFs.
If you're returning after 30 years and want a good solid coin machine, you can't go wrong with the GTI 1500 or really, the AT Pro. But the only reason I'd get the AT Pro over the 1500 is if I was going to use it in the water, but that's just me.
Good luck!
- Muddyshoes
The GTI 1500 is the perfect mix of size, functionality and sturdiness. The biggest improvement with this model is the "imaging" feature which tells you the approximate diameter of the object, which means it will tell you if the object fits within a diameter range that all U.S. coins fit into. Back in the day, we could usually guess this pretty much by just learning how to 'listen,' to the tone. Today's detectors give you information via a display and while you still learn a lot about your target by the sound, you won't need to have your hearing as honed.
The GTI 2500 does more, and while it's only a half-pound heavier, it is bulky.
The Ace 150/250/350 are lightweight detectors and the 250 is a solid coin machine, however, if you are used to the Garrett Green detectors, these will seem cheap, lightweight and fragile. They are sturdier than they look and are great performers, but I'm just not a fan of the form factor and color.
The AT Pro is a great machine for coin hunting, but lacks the imaging feature of the GTI series, and the Double D searchcoil is really, and let's be honest here, a pain in the ass, even if it is more suited to use in highly mineralized soil. If you're used to cross-cross pinpointing of traditional searchcoils, it will take some time to learn the "DD" specific tip/tail/wiggle method of pinpointing, and when using in the water, it's even more a pain in the ass.
Most detectors today have done away with the threshold feature, but higher end models will carry it. Not sure why, I always preferred hearing a threshold sound, even with auto-retuning VLFs.
If you're returning after 30 years and want a good solid coin machine, you can't go wrong with the GTI 1500 or really, the AT Pro. But the only reason I'd get the AT Pro over the 1500 is if I was going to use it in the water, but that's just me.
Good luck!
- Muddyshoes
well,, i fooled around yesterday afternoon and pre-ordered an AT GOLD. i thought if the DD coil on it did not fit me too well, i would order the 9'' concentric. if the AT GOLD doesn't work out real spiffy coin shooting, i will get a GTI 1500, for a stable mate. my wife told me, ''dad, if you are lucky you have 10-15 good years left,, enjoy yourself. there is not any need in leaving too much money for ungrateful kids to fight over''. ----------ALWAYS listen to mom,, as she knows best!!!! besides, we all know that one decent find would more than pay for the both of them, and we never know what we will find. i do have enough smarts to realize that this a total different game than 30 years ago, due to the popularity of MDing and the sheer amount of high quality units out there now. i thought i had bought all the toys i wanted before i retired, but it appears i didn't. i have 2 motorcycles, a cruiser and a tourer, but,, my wife has developed COPD, pulmonary fibrosis [ hardening of the lungs ] and is now under hospice care. i am really leery of riding too much now, if something happened to be, she would REALLY be in a bind. i see the total wisdom in forrest gump's ''life is like a box of chocolates'' comment, and , ''sometimes the best plans of men and mice often go astray''. anyway, i am not trying to strike it rich, this will just simply be something to keep me busy, and alert, and i can go out to close areas in the morning before mom gets up and be back to help her start her day. this is a good clean, wholesome hobby with little inherrant risk involved, and i always go armed. i have a CC permit and i am on top of the shooting game, so my personal security should be o.k. besides,, we don't have the same problems other folks do, in rural mississippi, pretty safe area here. do i know what i am doing??? heck no,, but sometimes even the blind sow finds an acorn......good finds to you folks out there......