Who Picked Up One Of Kellyco's Latest Batch Of 12x10s, & How You Liking It So Far?

[Critterhunter]

Seems there was quite a few people thirsting for a 12x10 by the time Kellyco got a batch in. Think I just read (?) a day or so ago that somebody said Kellyco was down to 2 coils when they ordered theirs. Anybody know how many Kellyco got in the shipment? Just curious how many sold this fast (what....about 2 or 3 weeks since they got them in?) as that should be a good indicator if Kellyco continues to order more BBS 12x10s for the Sov/Excal.

Also, anybody who just got one this month have anything to say thus far on how you like it in depth, separation, stability, and sharpness of the audio? If you could contrast it to other coils you have for comparison in your opinion. Always love to read how others feel about various coils.

Also, anybody know how many Ultimates Kellyco has still in stock and if they plan to order another batch? I'm hoping I can swing buying an Ultimate before they run out without knowing if more are going to be ordered.

In the future, if they don't order without pre-set sales, I'm sure if we get say at least 10 people together to pre-pay 12x10s or Ultimates I bet they'll be more than happy to order more for us.

 

[deepdiger60]

The sef i had i sold iam getting the 8 inch stock made for the GT , the sef is very noisy on salt water beaches it dont like waves or even windy days the wind hits it and the noise is incredible the slightest vibration,s set it off i tyred 2 other sef 10x12 coils my Buddy's had same thing so my coil wasn't at fault by the way they sold there,s also , stick with the stock coils and the S12 all others are a waste of money . Jim

 

[Critterhunter]

Wow, surprised you find the SEFs to be unstable and having issues with minerals or such perhaps, because 99.9% of all opinions I've ever read on the SEFs find them to handle minerals and EMI better than any other coil in comparison on the FBS and BBS units. Different story though for some other detectors it would seem, in that certain other brands seem rather fussy about coils they are using.

I know in my minerals or even EMI the 15x12 and the 12x10 often allow full blast manual sensitivity, where as in contrast all other coils I'll throw on at the same site/same day more often than not won't allow as high of sensitivity to be ran due to either the EMI or the minerals (I've experienced both). The #1 thing always said about the SEFs from day one of their introduction is that they are rock solid stable coils on both the FBS and BBS units, allowing higher sensitivity levels than other coils at a given site. I know I've found this to be true for me in my mineralized soil or sand sites. They also have a reputation for riding over a bumpy ride of iron or hot rocks without getting as fussy as other coils. Again, true for me as well.

Of course everybody's soil or sand is different, so in no way do I question the issues you had with them. Might be your particular minerals just rub the SEFs the wrong way maybe. Just want you to know I don't dismiss your opinion here. Nobody knows the nature of what a coil or machine does for them better than those who used it in their particular areas. You got to go by what your own eyes and ears are telling you for your situation. Only thing that matters in the real world. I've found, for example, a few single frequency machines that are said to have great depth and stability just don't pan out that way in my soil. Seems like anything in a single freq over about 8khz suffers in my soil, but I'm still holding out hopes of a F75LTD I've been offered to try might change that story. If it does then either one of those or a T2SE comes into my arsenal of machines when I'm in the mood for sweeping fast without risking masking targets as much. After blowing money over the years to try various machines I ain't forking out any more cash for a >8khz single freq detector without putting one through it's paces in my soils.

 

[gear box]

I got one and have used it a half dozen times and i can say that I like it a lot. Much better than the Ultimate, it's way ahead of the ultimate in stability but that doesn't mean the Utimate is unstable everywhere just seemed to be unstable where I used it. I used the SEF where I couldn't use the Ultimate or at least where I had to keep fussing with it to make it settle down and in some places it wouldn't settle down. Others have also mentioned the EMI problems with this coil. The Ultimate and the SEF are close to equal as far as i'm concerned but the SEF wins only because of the "lack" of EMI problems. The two Indians I got the other day were with the SEF in a place at the park where the Ultimate was mostly useless. As far as coverage goes an inch or so on width or length isn't a huge deal to me.
Gary

 

[gear box]

I forgot to mention that the SEF is much better at seperation also. Mostly I feel to the shape of the coil as the ultimate is almost round using up a lot of the ground and hitting more targets, and the SEF is oblong and narrower making it easier to move to a different spot to pinpoint the desirable target. But this is all in where I hunt which is in parks and other public places, and on a beach or open fields it may not be problem.
Good luck Gary

 

[xwyokid]

My 12x10 has been the cats meow in our mineralized soils. I can run mine full blast and it's stable all the time.

 

[Finderskeeper]

The SEF 12 x 10 is way better than the Ultimate. I had the Ultimate for four months and used it quite a bit. It was finding things but it was a real chore. I found it to be unstable in areas that I hunt and that it makes it almost useless in those areas. The back end of the Ultimate seemed to be weaker than the front and pin pointing was a bit less precise. I did not have any experience with the Ultimate on salt beaches or in salt water, but from some of the folks that have used it, say it is not a good coil for salt water or wet salt sand.

The 12 x 10 SEF on the other hand, it so stable as to be almost scary. I really like the SEF and it is also going on my other Excalibur II. I like the SEF 12 x 10 even better than my WOT that I had. I used the WOT for over three years and thought it was great. The SEF is even better than that.

I sold my Ultimate and am happy it is gone.

 

[Critterhunter]

XWYOKID, GearBox, & FindersKeepers- Thanks for the field reports. Confirms my feelings and many others about the SEFs on both the FBS and BBS units. Fantastic coils IMO. The Ultimate, while not as stable, is still to me one stable coil for it's size, and it's different enough that I liked to use my loaner on days I wanted to use something different as the mood struck me...For covering large areas faster and also looking for deepies. Not sure either way yet if it's as deep or even deeper than the 12x10 in my soil, but I do know on all deep targets I marked before digging and then swapping coils to compare the Ultimate saw this just as well as the 12x10. But I never found what I considered fringe outer depth undug targets to contrast them against each other with. That's the only way to see if there is a depth difference- Where one coil that first finds the target is struggling to bring it up to proper ID/tone due to it being at the outer limits of reach.

The Ultimate did, though, seem to get fooled more on deep iron or other junk as being a coin. In hunts where the Ultimate would find targets to mark first, I'd go back over them with the 12x10 and then it became obvious to me the deep target was iron or other junk due to the audio or the VDI response traits, where as the Ultimate was banging more "this is a coin" that fooled me. Could just be though that I wasn't as used to what the Ultimate was trying to tell me compared to the much more experience I've had in the field with the 12x10. And, even if the Ultimate is a bit more prone at being fooled, it could very well be that this weakness could turn out to be a strength in another respect- In that say a fringe depth coin might be more likely to be talking "COIN...COIN....COIN" to the Ultimate, with it being less hard to convice to report to the GT that it's a coin and not a near-coin like target due to the fringe depth....If you know what I'm trying to say here.

I can see myself breaking out the Ultimate when I'm in the mood to also cover a wide open beach or crop field faster. It's just faster to grid with. People should keep that in mind when it comes to these BBS and FBS units...We are limited to some extent to how fast we can cover large areas by how fast we can sweep these machines without risking masking targets, but one very real way to increase coverage time is by increasing the size of the coil then. More coverage faster, and with a somewhat faster walking past due to that as well.

 

[vietvet]

My SEF 12x10 gets noisy in the water with the wave action,I just lower the sensitivity a little.On dry and wet sand I can crank up the sens. way more then the original 10" coil,which tended to get noisy at high sens..
I hunt only salt beaches and for me the 12x10 has been superior to the 10",never comes off my GT.
I have had this coil 2 years now,not the newer batch.,

 

[mudslingers8]

I picked up one of the coils this past week & put it on my excal, thanks for the video on install critter. I have only owned the excal about 2 weeks so I can't give a report on a machine I am learning. This I do know I am a fan of a larger coil on all my machines & like the 10-12" range for my style of hunting. I found my first Gold & Silver with the Excal this past fri. morning in the water, the gold ring was small & broken & had been in the water some time, the silver was a stud earring with a tigers eye or cats eye stone, & of course 2-3 in clad. Thurs. morning I hit a 10 gram plat. in the dry sand with my At pro before work. The pro has a quicker recovery than the excal but falses in the wet sand, the larger coil will slow down my swing & help on the deep finds especially in the water. I also have a sand shark but wanted to maximize my hunting time with quality signals but all machines take time to master.

Mudslingers

 

[Critterhunter]

Dug up a few prior field reports about the 12x10 by a few others that were posted in the past that I thought would be of interest in this thread. There are many other examples like this if you search, on both the BBS and the FBS units, but all the ones below are Sovereign field reports/impressions from this forum.

One thing I haven't pointed out in a while is that the 12x10 when I first started using it gave me the odd impression that the processor had been sped up on my GT. Of course that isn't true, but what I'm saying is that the sharper DD line seems to make the reaction between targets more "distinct" and crisp. The reaction time is in effect more distinct due to the more clear "see"/"not see" type of clearity between targets IMO.

Also, another thing I haven't mentioned in a while about this coil (and even the 15x12 I owned) is that, while left/right separation is fantastic at the center of the coil, if you really want to slice and dice apart several targets globbed together even more "effortlessly" wiggle the last few inches of the tip at it and it's like going from a razor sharp knife to a surgical scapel in how easy things "slice apart".

Not that the center is any slouch either. Best left/right separation, or at least the most effortless in that respect, that I've ever used on a coil, big OR small, concentric or DD. It trully is one amazing coil in many respects, but in particular the unmasking is almost thoughtless. I have no doubt that if I grid a location from several angles, taking advantage of the left/right separation aspects of this coil, there won't be much to find for even a smaller coil. Of course length wise a smaller coil is going to unmask better but I can't see how a DD line can get any more sharp than this coil width wise, regardless of the size of the coil.

The 13" Ultimate also seems to have a very sharp DD line but the odd thing is that it when targets aren't close to each other, if they are spaced say 5" or more apart then left/right separation gets harder, as you have to reposition yourself to stop from hearing targets at the outer edges of the Ultimate. The 12x10 doesn't have that issue, but strangely when targets are right up against each other the Ultimate will sift them apart very well too much like the 12x10, especially for a round DD coil of the Ultimate's size. Either way, onto some prior field report quotes from others...

I went out to a school where I found a couple silvers this year with the Sovereign GT using the stock coil. I covered the same area with the SEF. While its entirely possible I simply missed these coins, they made me a believer in this coil's potential.
It takes a substantial improvement in performance to impress me. At first glance I didn't see what the hype was all about. It didn't seem to get better depth or VDI in my coin-lab than the 10" tornado coil. While I was able to crank my sensitivity to max without chatter, the signal wasn't significantly better than at the 11 o'clock position.

The grass at the school is anywhere from 2" to 4" and pretty dense. I slid the coil across the surface of the grass as I usually do and got a high signal. It was quite a sizable footprint but the VDI numbers rose into the 177-179 region. I cut a plug about 5" deep and checked the hole...nothing.
I removed a little more and got a signal using the Sidekick. I removed the soil from the bottom of the hole carefully so not to damage the object as I expected a quarter and hoped it would be silver. In the bottom of an 8" hole appeared a 1960 Rosie lying flat. This is the deepest dime Ive dug with the GT.

While the coin footprint is large, there does seem to be better target separation and VDI seems to be accurate on deeper targets. I don't plan on putting the 10" tornado back on my GT anytime soon and may dig into my wallet for the larger SEF coil to use in farm fields (while they are on sale).
HH
Ran

I finaly made it out this weekend with my new sef coil 10x12. It was only my second time out with it and I have owned it for 5 months! Yes I have been busy.
Let me say this: I went to a local park that I use to learn my detectors. Since I did not want to dig anything deep in this particular park I hunted in silent mode. Targets were everywhere. So I went to max disc. I covered a few areas that I had been over with my sovereign before only with the 8"bbs coil, minelab advantage 8" & 10" coils, garrett ace 250, whites xl pro and tesoro silver umax.
I dug 2 quarters, 10 dimes, 5 lincolns and a nickle and skipped all the zincs pennies, all clad in over 1 hour. Here is the catch all coins were in the 1-3 inch range!!!! all on edge!!! I know for a fact I passed over these with my other detectors that MISSED such shallow targets! Even the the sovereign with the 8" coil missed. The coins I found have been in the ground for some time!
This sef coil is incredible! I can't wait to go back to my old sites! This coil should be called the COIN EDGE BUSTER COIL!
The signals are very clear as well! This coil does what they say it does!
I will use this coil in 2 ways
1. shallow targets in silent search.
2. deep targets with threshold and zero disc.
3. AM pinpointing is super on this coil.

I just came in from the field and I will say that the pinpointing is very good, more so than I expected!

Oh one thing I did I had a weak battery in my detector, so that was the issue with my threshold quick change of batteries and all settled out! MY FAULT for rushing to the test garden.

This 12x10 ROCKS!!!!

A larger coil, that is more stable than my 8"bbs non slimline version. sharpe separation and last but not least deeper by size and higher sensitivity settings! You can't beat that! Trust me I've read post where other did not care for this coil but I've found plenty of deep coins in the woods with that coil the deepest being 11" and many coins in the 8" range.

The coil sounds are very rich as I was out again today only in the field listening to clarity of all targets.SUPER TONES! CRYSTAL CLEAR!

It should be a SUPER SPRING.

Even the explorer guys say its super. Over 90% of the explorer guys say its better than the 11" Pro coil. That its deeper and like I said has better clarity on tones, super clear!

This sef coil enhances the detectors like nothing ever seen before.

I may have to get that 6x8 coil and quick.

As far as I'm concerned DDs are a thing of the PAST! sorry but that is my opinion.
These coils are super, ITS LIKE HAVING A DETECTOR STEROIDS, only its legal and heatly!!!

Heck, I wonder how they are working on the single frequency units.
I think detecting has just been revolutionized, it is what it is!

later fellow hunters

Go back in some earlier post on the sef coils as well as European detecting sites, Heck just go to the SEF manufacturer web site and they explain performance and what it was designed to do.
MY 12x10 sef on my sovereign xs works as stated! clean,crisp,sharp signals at greater depth with higher sensitivity settings if you desire.
However I discovered another performance it excel at finding shallow coins on edge 1"- 3" in depth. I went to simple areas to learn other detectors like minelab advantage & whites xl pro these machine missed what seemed like a ton of clad coins in a local park that I pounded heavily with those other machines and I knew them well!
Its just said that they don't make an 8x6 coil like they have for the FBS machines.

SEF coils are the real deal make no mistake about it!

 

[Critterhunter]

Ran out of time to edit and add...

Pin pointing using the tip or tail of the SEFs is very precise. Wiggle the coil forward until you just start to hear the target, then you'll find it's right at the base of the "V" shape at the edge of the coil. These days, after using PP mode more for various things, I've got in the habit of using the center of the coil now and the 12x10 is dead center on PPing. In the water, when I used to use my 12x10 or 15x12 in the water, I'd wiggle the coil backwards until I just started to hear the target, then place my big toe right in that "V" depression at the back of the coil, and guide my scoop along side my foot to scoop up the target. It was rather precise. I still use the tip to PP on land sometimes when there are numerous targets in the area of what I'm after. If that's the case instead of flipping to PP mode I wiggle forward until I get the first proper tone response of the target I want, and that way it's easy to ignore anything else nearby.

This isn't really SEF related and applies to any coil, but while on the topic...I still don't trust PP mode to tell me a coin hit is a false from iron. Often guys will flip to PP and if it moves off from where they heard the coin response they'll assume it's a coin spike. I've dug coins that PP mode dragged me off of, because it can pull you towards a larger piece of iron and not see the coin. For that reason I go by other methods to determine if a coin hit is an iron false. Mainly by judging the tone response characteristics and the VDI's response. There are subtle traits to real coin hits, even masked, that are different in some respects to iron false coin spike hits. The only way to learn those is by digging, and even when you do know what things should be most of the time, if you aren't digging iffy coin hits on any machine then you are going to miss some real coins that way.

These days, at sites where the "easy" silver is gone, I don't waste my time wandering around looking for a classic deep coin hit. Instead, I figure a better use of my time is to dig those ten or so iffy coin hits I find and see what they are, rather than wander aimlessly in that hour's time looking for what just isn't there anymore, unless coins have sunk beyond the reach of other detectors but not the GT and the 12x10. When that's the case it's game on and I'll seek out the deep clean hits. All depends on if the soil allows coins to sink super deep, beyond other machines.

I love those spots, as it's like the old days when you could wander around and hear a 7" silver every 20 minutes or so. Only now we are talking 8, 9", or deeper coins that the GT can find. No small feat in my soil, and when I'm at a site like that I just chuckle to myself that it's like it was say 10 or 15 years ago when there still were 7" clean silver hits that other machines couldn't see. I could edge out to about 7.5" on a silver dime in my soil on my prior non-Minelabs.

Now the game has started again with the GT, it's just that those "easy" silver hits are now 8 or 9" or deeper. When the soil allows I'll look for those. When the soil doesn't allow the coins to sink beyond other machines then I go after the iffy coin hits, shallow or deep. My normal routine at "dead" sites is to not dig shallow "clad" hits unless they are badly masked, and so could very well be old coins others have missed. Otherwise I watch for the deeper stuff, and if the deep clean ones aren't there then I'll start digging the iffy deep coin hits.