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Who Can Repair Sovereign Coils Cables

FLIPTOP1942

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Who Can Repair Sovereign Coils Cables the wires are exposed on the of 3 of my sovereign coils i would like to have new cables replacing the damaged ones. I know there was someone who replaced them but i forgot who did it. Thank you any help would be appreciated.
 
I've seen people who replaced these defective cables.Lots of work and expensive to replace these cables.I have in the past sold my Sovereign coils I've had with bad cables,and bought new ones.Unless the repair or replacement cables are perfect you will have a problem, with the money spent and aggravation factor to replace I would just write these coils off or use as is.
 
goodmore said:
Why are your coils going through cables?

Minelab had a bad batch, coils built with the wrong cable.
(the sheath was the wrong material)
Basically the same cable, but for "indoor use".

It splits, peels, and comes off in chunks.

Pretty likely the mistake was made by the purchasing department.


Fisherfinder
 
Mel Parker posted about a way to replace the bad cable. It takes some work but you can repair your coils if you want to.

Here are a couple links to threads that have pertinent information:

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1847622,1847622#msg-1847622
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,2174982,2174982#msg-2174982
 
Ron from Michigan said:
Fisherfinder,LOL that was one costly mistake.Thanks Ron


LOL

Yeah Ron, a while back, just by chance, I parked right in front of a cable manufacturer here in my town.
I made a note of it and a few days later I called and asked for the owner. I told him what the problem was
and he told me to bring by what I had so he could have a look at it.
I brought over four coils. A couple that the cable had gone bad on, and a couple that were good.
He took one look at the bad cables and told me right away that the sheath was the wrong material on those.
He laid a good cable next to a bad one and showed me the difference.
It's been over a year since I went there, but I am pretty sure that he said that the cable sheath that puts up
with sun, rain, salt, cold, hot, and the elements in general, is a "urethane" material. The one that went by the
way side was "vinyl".
I asked him, "how on earth could something like this happen?"

Here is what he said.............

"It probably went like this", " The time came to purchase cable, maybe the cable they usually purchase wasn't
available for another three weeks, or maybe the sales guy offered a cable with the same specs at a lower price,
either way the lady in purchasing bought the cable suggested by the sales guy. Problem being, the cable purchased
was only equal in regards to it's electrical properties, the number of wires, size and color of wires,....like that.
It would work fine for indoor applications. Rock and roll bands, guitars, microphones, amplifiers, and what have you.
But, the sheathing is not able to withstand the elements, eventually it will crumble"

Of course there is the chance that the supplier shipped the wrong cable because spools of cable were mismarked.

All I know is the man I spoke to has been in the cable making business for 40 plus years.
His company makes cable that is used on oil platforms and are exposed to the elements day in and day out.
His company also makes and supplies cable to the military that he told me will last in the worst environments
you can imagine for 100 years or more. That cable is not available to the public, only to the military.

So gentlemen that is what I found out.
The only part I left out was the pretty woman that walked me to the conference room.


Well, there is this................

For $100 in green money he would have one of the guys set up a machine to make just the sheath, the proper sheath.
for that money I would get roughly a half dozen 10ft lengths.

There are a lot of smart guys here,.... you know what comes next.
The I.D. size of that sheath would be critical. As little as .010 could mean the difference between a pretty straight forward job,
and one big stink bomb.
What I'm saying is, if the I.D. is in "any way" too small you're done for.
Only God would be able to do it, and he would struggle with it.
(he wouldn't cuss and swear like we would, but he would still struggle)


So there you have it.

Fisherfinder
 
Fishfinder,your information is appreciated.I bought about 20 coils with bad cords for nothing about 7 years ago,I ended up selling these as is,lots of work and expensive to fix.Yea, Mel Parker can fix these cords but he worked for NASA Apollo 9 through 14. HH Ron
 
Yeah, I bought a couple.
And I looked into a fix, my approach was to re-sheath and seal the end there under the strain relief.
But, I haven't followed through.

If someone here dares me to try I'll give it a go.
Otherwise it likely will be just another unfinished project.




Fisherfinder
 
Not sure how I missed this one. Having a Sov GT myself, and keeping an eye open for Coils, were these bad sheaths on the BBS coils? The Tornado's? The original coinsearch? All of the above?

Rich -
 
Rich (Utah) said:
Not sure how I missed this one. Having a Sov GT myself, and keeping an eye open for Coils, were these bad sheaths on the BBS coils? The Tornado's? The original coinsearch? All of the above?

Rich -


I just have to look for those coils.
The two of them are in a box with the business card from that cable manufacturer.
I half thought I brought them here to the shop. I'll have another look around.
This weekend I'm going to my storage. That's the only other place they can be.

Coinsearch, BBS, Tornado?

I kinda see your point.
How long does it take for the sheath to break down?
How much of that wrong cable did Minelab buy?
How many people buy a machine, go out a couple times, get sunburned, and it winds up in the closet?
How many people only hunt at night?

I'll say this. I have never seen a Coinsearch that had a cable go to the way side.

I'll wait for Ron to speak up. He bought a number of those coils. It's a sure bet he'll remember what they were.

Best I remember,... hell,.... I'm a little bit guessing but I think the two I have are BBS coils. Or Maybe one each
BBS and Tornado.

I'll find the two I have and post pictures, between now and Monday.



Fisherfinder
 
Really a easy fix, I've been thinking about making an adaptor where you take the heyco pigtail off, cut the wires, slide the heyco fitting over the cable then slide the adaptor over the cable, solder new cable on, thread the adaptor on to the old heyco pigtail thread on the coil, pour a sealant into the adaptor to seal the wires then screw the old heyco fitting back in. The adaptor would be about 3/4 inch tall, with PG7 threads.
 
That adapter I could make.
Need to sort out what thread to generate, but that isn't a problem.
A good choice for the sealant may be the potting compound used to seal circuits.

Good idea!



Fisherfinder
 
DPG 7x20 is the tap size, the size of the threads on the coil itself then the Heyco fitting also
 
OldBeechnut said:
DPG 7x20 is the tap size, the size of the threads on the coil itself then the Heyco fitting also

That is one strange call out.
I have to admit, I had to look it up.



80 deg instead of 60 or 55 deg.
Some off the wall metric..........

Not the end of the world, but believe me, not a common thread by any means.
LOL

Middle of September marked 42 years in the trade for me. Six years in school that I'm not counting.



Gee thanks Oldbeechnut

LOL



Fisherfinder
 
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