Whites Vision does have some nice advancements.

[khouse]

Thought I would be politically correct and post here.
Just on the surface it looks like there are some features that all manufacturers should look in to.
Competition is good. Good for us because we win with advancements.
I'm sure other companies are looking at the Vision seeing what the best features are.
Maybe they already are building something better?
We know Garrett and Tesoro are due for some new units?
Minelab has made great steps in moving the machines forward.

What has made machines what they are today? The ole' " We can build it better" way of thinking. There are some advancements that maybe the other companies can use? They came up with their own wireless and it's not Bluetooth. Maybe because the two BT headsets I used had a lag in the signal. But built in wireless capability is an advancement. Plus changing frequencies without changing coils is great. Being able to compare three different frequency signals at the same time looks good too. The target sizing looks very advanced. One thing not missing is weight. I would like to see no machine over 3 pounds.

 

[Larry (IL)]

The Vision is 4.6 lbs. (on my scale) with batteries, ready to hunt.

Look for a new Vision Forum soon on Find's.

 

[khouse]

Good to know. Perfectly balanced like most of Whites machines I'm sure.

 

[Uncle Willy]

Remember the old bread box Whites of years ago. Talk about weight.

Bill

 

[Uncle Willy]

That's an arm and shoulder breaker. When are they going to lighten these things up?

Bill

 

[Carl-NC]

That's an arm and shoulder breaker. When are they going to lighten these things up?

It's a very complex circuit design. It won't fit on a Prizm-size board, and it won't run off a 9V battery.

 

[willy]

..White's would come up with a system wherein the control box and display pod could be easily removed and chestmounted. We're talking straight mechanical engineering here.. nothing really complex. There's a lot of gold n' such found in the desert, but there's also plenty to be found in streams, not to mention people who like to wade and detect for rings/coins. That's one of the things that really turned me off when nuggethunting with the MXT/GMT in B.C. (we have a lot of gold...in STREAMS/RIVERS). I also do a lot of freshwater lake hunting (wading to about 4' deep) and this becomes problematic with something like an MXT. I'd just modify the detector myself (not really all that hard) but.. might as well chuck the warranty out the window. ..Willy.

 

[Beale]

My only concern with all the advancements IE White's Vision, Minelab E-Trac is this. Are we at a point where the more advancements means more to break/quicker/more often? I really am just wondering here. Can the machine get so complicated that it is less bug free? Just a question really, Beale.

 

[Malox]

Just had to get rid of my whites because of weight, so I guess I won't be a player on the new Vision. It' as they say, " It's Hell to get old"
Jim

 

[Monte]

Just had to get rid of my whites because of weight, so I guess I won't be a player on the new Vision. It' as they say, " It's Hell to get old"
Jim

Jim, I know what you mean about getting old, or should we just call it falling apart?

My doctor gave me a cane in '94 and said I had to eliminate any sports or activities that required repeated twisting, frequent bending and standing, etc. I have had back surgery and four back injections. All of which I am no longer a candidate because the degenerative back disease (arthritis) and degenerative disk disease (dry, shrunken, and/or herniated disks) combined with by diabetes and other health issues just eliminates me from any help.

I take 9 pills in the morning with 2 insulin shots, and 5 pills in the evening , with another 2 insulin shots, and also have nerve meds, pain meds, and anti-inflammatory meds I take as needed in addition to those. But I don't give up, and I also don't find the White's packaging unbearable. But I have noted a number of people I encounter while detecting or on club member outings or those who attend a seminar who do complain about 'fatigue' or complain the detector is too heavy. There are several reasons for that.

The 1st thing I notice is that too often the user has the lower rod extended way too far. It should be about 12"-18" in front of your feet when standing.

A 2nd thing I notice is that they sweep the search coil much too quickly. This is caused by several things, and honestly one is having that rod extended so far out in front of them!

A 3rd point I note is that they are using a larger coil, most of the time, and if you match the best coil for the task, and often that is a smaller-than-sock size coil, it will help.

Finally, a 4th thing that I demonstrate is the added weight of a coil cover. Personally, I don't use a coil cover on any coil other than the very smaller. the smaller coil gets worked in and around building rubble and such. Most manuals suggest the coil should be operated about 1"-2" off the ground so it's not like "scrubbing" as was the norm some twenty to twenty-five years ago and more.

Just a thought before I head out for a quick 30-45 minutes of last minute daylight with a 6000 Pro XL w/950 coil. .

Monte

 

[Larry (IL)]

I agree with everything except the scrubbing Monte, White's still says "scrubbing" the ground gives the best results and I would have to agree. I have found no advantages to holding the coil off of the ground and lose two inches of depth. Sliding the coil on the grass also takes some weight off of your arm as well, especially when the grass is wet.

 

[slingshot]

I wanna throw my thoughts in on the coil scrubbing. I have noticed the ground affects the signal MORE with the coil scrubbing-I have had some surface signals "hesitate" or slightly break up with the coil so close-the Garrett Ace is one that this is especially true of, but all of the others I use do also. This extra height of 1-2" seems to give the detector circuitry "room" to adjust. Of course, in older and more promising areas, overdoing it might be harmful to depth. There's no telling how many times after rechecking the target on the return sweep at a slightly higher coil level, the signal becomes much stronger or clearer. I think that's another reason for the error of thinking the sensitivity control can "make" the detector go deeper, also.

 

[khouse]

I'm a coil scrubber but I agree with you. I try to hover my coil paper thin above the ground. When I get a double beep, iffy or weird signal I raise my coil about 2 inches and resweep. Sometimes I'll even reduce the sens to try to bring that iffy target into a more solid beep. I like the machines that have one hand easy access to the controls to adjust. I'm talking like the Ace 250 and Prizms to name a couple. There are more out there. I really don't like a detector where you have to scroll through a menu to make changes.