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White's VDI list?

opacific

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I had been a Garrett user for about 10 years, but sold it and bought a White's MXT. I am starting to learn the quirks, but I have two questions?

Is there a nice / detailed list of all metals, etc in the VDI format that is available to study and learn? OR has anyone "mapped" out as much metal as you can?

Why are there negative VDI numbers, what does the negative symbol represent?

Thanks for any input!
 
Here is a list of VDI numbers I saved from somewhere a while back. It seems like what you may be after. Hope it helps. HH
Bill

Bust type Cent- 80
Braided Large Cent- 88/89
Indian Cent (1900's)- 70/72
Early Wheat Cent- 72/74
2 Cent Piece- 75
3 Cent Nickel- 8/10
"V" Nickel- 20
Buffalo Nickel- 18
Early Jefferson Nickel- 18
Barber Dime- 76/77
Mercury Dime- 77
Roosevelt Silver- 80
Barber Quarter- 82
Standing Liberty Quarter- 86
Washington Silver Quarter- 85
Barber Half- 90
Standing Liberty Half- 91
Franklin Half- 92
1964 Silver Kennedy- 92
1965-1967 40% Kennedy- 91
Clad type Kennedy- 89
Morgan/Peace Dollar- 94

1/10 oz. Gold Coin- 26
1/4 oz. Gold Coin- 52
1/2 oz. Gold Coin- 72
1 oz. Gold Coin- 77
 
I read 18/20 for the new nickels, 76/77 for new pennies, 77/78 for new dimes and 83 for nre quarters. The zincs can be from the 50's to low 60's depending on how bad they are corroded. Not much difference between old and new. there is a little difference with different coils. Negative numbers are ferrous metal. Rob
 
you're hunting under an identical environment to that which was used to 'test' or 'sample' the various targets you might search for.

It doesn't matter if it is one of the Garrett's you used, some other brand, or your new White's MXT. ALL metal detector responses are affected by the target metal as well as any good and/or bad nearby target metal, as well as the nature of the ground environment they are located in.

Under IDEAL conditions, such as in an "air test" or with a desired coin positioned 'flat' to the coil and located shallowly in something like clean, dry wooschips or neutral sand, you will be able to 'test sample' some targets and then anticipate somewhat similar visual TID readings in a clean and friendly environment. One that is also masking-target free.

The MXT has a relative descriptive 'range' located under the TID display. Accurate TID readings will be achieve when the coil is swept with the target centered with the coil, and when the coin-type target is positioned 'flat' to the coil and not too deep. White's VDI numeric readout is perhaps the best in the industry ... however, it is only as good as the information received, and that's governed by target size, target shape, target position, target depth, metal make-up, outside issues such as RF interference, challenging ground environment, nearby trash (or good target) that can mask the signal, and we can't forget operator coil selection and coil control and control set-up.

If a target is in an odd position, a little too deep for best recognition, worn or damaged, too small to generate ample signal for good TID, located in highly mineralized ground or in a touch ground contour situation, or of the detector is hampered by interference or otherwise not set for peak performance and the coil sweep improper, you will likely end up with a visual TID that is 'off' from what you might anticipate. Let's not forget nearby masking targets or multiple target conditions.

Here's a challenge to learn what your detector can and can't do well:

 
I got my detector last week, and I still don't understand it. I guess it will beep at just about anything. I have many hot rocks in my yard, so it is difficult to balance. I re-buried some change that I dug up with my Garrett gtax1250, and it seems like the detector stutters on them also. (stock setting per quick step manual) I just got the 6X10 DD coil last night, so I will try that one today to see if it makes a difference. I literally get about 15 beeps in one sweep of the stock coil. I tried rebalancing in a new area with somewhat better results...if that is the case, should I then LOCK the ground balance switch?

It is quite frustrating not being able to just turn on the detector and go.

I did get a 1 cent reading at 0 inches deep, but I dug down 7 inches to find the top of a beer can cut off. The only thing impressive with this one so far is the depth sensitivity. I like that.

Once I get more familiar with this machine, I will go back to my previous good spots to re-search for deeper coins.

Thanks, all!
 
I'm no expert but I was told find a good clean spot & balance then you can lok it & go. I found the dd helped with the hot rocks which I have plenty. Turn down your gain some also will help with all the chatter
 
Here is a post by Monte, he knows more than me. Rob

Depending upon where you live, you might have some coal clinkers around and I know many have confuced them with "hot rocks."

A "Hot Rock" is any rock which is out of context with the associated ground matrix ... AND ... it could be any rock or intense mineral body (even a dirt clod) that is reactive due to the detector's GB setting.

You can have a Hot Rock and a Cold Rock, but you seldom hear about them. A hot rock is a more intense mineral than what you're ground balanced for and it will cause a nulling when swept over. A cold rock is one which is well below your GB setting and therefore you might get a beep on it .. BUT ONLY IF IN THE ALL METAL/PINPOINT MODE.

If you properly adjust your GB for the general ground at a site and then LOCK the GB on your MXT, you could have a little problem if the bad rocks are close to the coil and depending upon your Discriminate setting.

I prefer to GB over the most mineralized rock or ground that I encounter at a site, then 'Lock' the toggle so I don't track to the changing ground. As a rule, this will eliminate or reduce most of the problems associated with 'Hot Rocks.'

Flipping your toggle trigger forward in the Coin & Jewelry mode will not knock out Hot Rocks. It is only a preset notch that is activated to deal with certain pull tabs type targets.

If you can't reject a bottle cap (and I am referring to the crimp-edge style bottle cap and not the taller, aluminum screw cap) and have very poor signal response from a quarter laying on the ground, you need to have your coil and/or detector checked out.

Monte
 
You might find the book entitled "Taking a Closer Look At Metal Detector Discrimination" by Robert C. Brockett. My dealer gave me a copy when I purchasted my MT. Its published by White's and is a bit dated, published in 1990, but the material is still relevant. Offers one of the best references on MT discrimination I have come across. 130 pages, about the size of a readers digest, It can be ordered from White's for $8.95

Jerry K
Falcon, CO
 
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