steve herschbach
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White's Pulsescan TDI
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steelheadfever
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Thanks for the info Steve. Do you have any idea as to how much Whites is going to sell the Pulsescan TDI detector for? HH Dennis in Idaho
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[quote steelheadfever]Thanks for the info Steve. Do you have any idea as to how much Whites is going to sell the Pulsescan TDI detector for? HH Dennis in Idaho[/quote]
Read here, http://www.findmall.com/read.php?31,728296
Read here, http://www.findmall.com/read.php?31,728296
steve herschbach
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Hi Dennis,
MSRP of $1599. I'll start hunting gold with the TDI in a week. Stand by for gold reports in 10 days or so.
Steve Herschbach
MSRP of $1599. I'll start hunting gold with the TDI in a week. Stand by for gold reports in 10 days or so.
Steve Herschbach
steve what would you say the ground conditions were at this particular site as far as mineralization is concerned,just looking for a ball park guess here,say 1-100 (1 being minimal mineralization and so on up too 100) and do you think that this was the main factor for you in finding these 18 coins?do you think that anyother pi machine out there to date could have picked up on these coins?
steve herschbach
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Hi,
The ground here has quite a bit of magnetite in it but it is not all that bad. It is certainly possible another PI would get te coins.
Honestly, the depth issue is secondary. What is truly remarkable is waving a PI detector at a steel sign post and getting no signal, and then easily detecting a coin. Iron has always been the downfall of PI units.
Steve Herschbach
The ground here has quite a bit of magnetite in it but it is not all that bad. It is certainly possible another PI would get te coins.
Honestly, the depth issue is secondary. What is truly remarkable is waving a PI detector at a steel sign post and getting no signal, and then easily detecting a coin. Iron has always been the downfall of PI units.
Steve Herschbach
steve herschbach
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Hi Steve,
Itis a slow rollout for various reasons. Probably foremost is the reason people know about it! Normally a detector is kept secret, and nobody knows about them until a bunch are already built. Since the TDI has been more visible prior to release it gives one the impression of slow going. That, and everyone fighting hard to get the first ones!
Steve Herschbach
Itis a slow rollout for various reasons. Probably foremost is the reason people know about it! Normally a detector is kept secret, and nobody knows about them until a bunch are already built. Since the TDI has been more visible prior to release it gives one the impression of slow going. That, and everyone fighting hard to get the first ones!
Steve Herschbach
GoldChaser
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Thanks Steve. It would be helpful if you could please share what settings you used on the TDI.
Thank you!
Paul
Thank you!
Paul
steve herschbach
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Hi,
I'm writing up a guide. More soon.
Steve Herschbach
I'm writing up a guide. More soon.
Steve Herschbach
well i certainly like what i'm hearing now.first the TDI was going to be a beach killer,then a relic vacuum in bad ground conditions,now it's hitting up coins at a respectable range in medium ground conditions and ignoring iron to beat the band, (providing )users capabilities in certain ground conditions. it definitely sounds to me like this machine has some good advantages , and everything i've heard so far has been positive,with the exception of a learning curve wich most machines these days have some sort of challenge,looks like someone has done their homework on this one!
steve herschbach
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Hi B.T.
I'll know in a week, but I doubt my $1599 TDI is going to blow away my $5595 GPX-4500. I assume $4000 extra gets me something. I expect the TDI to be a solid performer, however. It surely has surprised me so far.
Realistically, what is a fair comparison? Minelab has just discontinued the SD2100v2. So the TDI at $1599 verssus SD2200v2 and $2795? Or Infinium at $1250? I'm asking because I really am curious what you think is fair to compare considering the price differential. Does price matter? If a unit that costs $4000 less than another unit does not do as well, does that mean it is not good?
Steve Herschbach
I'll know in a week, but I doubt my $1599 TDI is going to blow away my $5595 GPX-4500. I assume $4000 extra gets me something. I expect the TDI to be a solid performer, however. It surely has surprised me so far.
Realistically, what is a fair comparison? Minelab has just discontinued the SD2100v2. So the TDI at $1599 verssus SD2200v2 and $2795? Or Infinium at $1250? I'm asking because I really am curious what you think is fair to compare considering the price differential. Does price matter? If a unit that costs $4000 less than another unit does not do as well, does that mean it is not good?
Steve Herschbach
G,day Steve. Like this, wasnt having a go at you, but like this, some machines may be a trojan on say specimen type gold or smaller gold (sub 2 grams) where finding a handful of that a day would put a smile on anyones dial. The other machine might be better on the bigger stuff etc. No, not asking for a comparison on , for example 1 nugget that weighs say 5oz full stop but to see where its advantages lay. Over here the Terra 70 has amazing sens on specie gold and small bits and in quiet ground rocks, but when the minerals kick in the MXT leaves it behind because of its tracking. Both VLFs, same technology but comparing them for their strengths and weaknesses over a broad spectrum of trials shows where what advantage lays.
Yeah, a 4000 or 4500 could look like the KING with just a limited test where it could show another to look lame but broaden that test and you can see some very different results.
Just like the tests I have been carrying out lately with the 70 vs the MXT.
Looking forward to how the TDI stacks up over there.
Yeah, a 4000 or 4500 could look like the KING with just a limited test where it could show another to look lame but broaden that test and you can see some very different results.
Just like the tests I have been carrying out lately with the 70 vs the MXT.
Looking forward to how the TDI stacks up over there.
steve herschbach
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Hi B.T.,
I know you were not "having a go" at me. I really was honestly asking your opinion, as I do value it.
When the Infinium came out, I made some positive reports about it. Why? Because I took it out and found some gold with it. Man, did I take some heat from the Minelab crowd! There is this theory that if a unit cannot detect as deep as the top dog Minelab, then it simply is no good at all. And to promote anything not as good is misleading and possibly downright criminal!! I'd like to avoid that kind of scene this time.
My plan is to simply go hunt gold with the Pulsescan and see what I can find. I've already used it enough in town doing other things to know it has the power. I will have at least three Pulsescans at the mine free for the use of our 60 visitors so they will get a good going over.
The Pulsescan has a couple things going for it for sure. I like being able to have a unit with the battery built in that I can set down while digging a hole, without a bungee and power cord jerking it around. A built in speaker is nice at times, especially in bear country. I also like the ability to hip or chest mount the unit. The fact you can use most Minelab, Coiltek, and Nugget Finder coils is a huge plus.
Steve Herschbach
I know you were not "having a go" at me. I really was honestly asking your opinion, as I do value it.
When the Infinium came out, I made some positive reports about it. Why? Because I took it out and found some gold with it. Man, did I take some heat from the Minelab crowd! There is this theory that if a unit cannot detect as deep as the top dog Minelab, then it simply is no good at all. And to promote anything not as good is misleading and possibly downright criminal!! I'd like to avoid that kind of scene this time.
My plan is to simply go hunt gold with the Pulsescan and see what I can find. I've already used it enough in town doing other things to know it has the power. I will have at least three Pulsescans at the mine free for the use of our 60 visitors so they will get a good going over.
The Pulsescan has a couple things going for it for sure. I like being able to have a unit with the battery built in that I can set down while digging a hole, without a bungee and power cord jerking it around. A built in speaker is nice at times, especially in bear country. I also like the ability to hip or chest mount the unit. The fact you can use most Minelab, Coiltek, and Nugget Finder coils is a huge plus.
Steve Herschbach
Sounds good. I know what you mean about the M/lab crowds, vicious is an understatement. In fact, thats why I dont post on our own Aussie forums, they are a disgrace to our great southern land. Yep, we get asked the Minelab owners question all the tiem in the shop "does it go as deep as a Minelab?" Deep smeep in my opinon, Ive seen enough to know that they dont get everything within their "ultimate" depth range anyway. They will say "but Ive dug up a tin can at 3 feet!" yeah but gold doesnt have a magnetic field like that tin can either "how deeps the deepest bit of gold youve dug?" "Um, 14 inches I guess!"
You want yo know some truth, you see reports of big nuggets dug up at crazy depths in our mineralised ground, the last was a 112oz bit from reportedly 3 feet. "FACT" it was found with the previous model than stated and was only 15 inches. 96oz claimed to be from 1 meter deep, "FACT" (I checked the hole out and the nuggets imprint was still in the clay at the bottom of it) 12 inches deep. So , a GP for example ( which you probably know anyway) say in a particular ground type finds a 20oz slug at 18", everyone then thinks that everything else in that 18 inch range is gone or can be easily found. Then you rock up with a VLF and 7 inches down go , "cool a 1/3 oz nugget". Seen it happen and done it myself. Dont believe all the garbage claims form over here mate, much much much much hype. Great machines though the SD/GPs but the depth claims, hmmm.
You want yo know some truth, you see reports of big nuggets dug up at crazy depths in our mineralised ground, the last was a 112oz bit from reportedly 3 feet. "FACT" it was found with the previous model than stated and was only 15 inches. 96oz claimed to be from 1 meter deep, "FACT" (I checked the hole out and the nuggets imprint was still in the clay at the bottom of it) 12 inches deep. So , a GP for example ( which you probably know anyway) say in a particular ground type finds a 20oz slug at 18", everyone then thinks that everything else in that 18 inch range is gone or can be easily found. Then you rock up with a VLF and 7 inches down go , "cool a 1/3 oz nugget". Seen it happen and done it myself. Dont believe all the garbage claims form over here mate, much much much much hype. Great machines though the SD/GPs but the depth claims, hmmm.
steve herschbach
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Hi B.T.
Oh, I found out long ago that people with detectors are like people with fishing poles. With fishermen it is the big one that got away, and with detectorists there is this depth thing. I've always put way more effort into being first over the target.
True story here in my local Anchorage area a VLF is the way to go. Low mineralization, smallish gold, few if any hot rocks. You never see a big gun Minelab running around here, and for good reason. But Alaska is a big place, and so there are places like my mine where a PI unit shines.So be looking for some gold info around June 6th.
A pleasure chatting with you. Good luck prospecting!
Steve Herschbach
Oh, I found out long ago that people with detectors are like people with fishing poles. With fishermen it is the big one that got away, and with detectorists there is this depth thing. I've always put way more effort into being first over the target.
True story here in my local Anchorage area a VLF is the way to go. Low mineralization, smallish gold, few if any hot rocks. You never see a big gun Minelab running around here, and for good reason. But Alaska is a big place, and so there are places like my mine where a PI unit shines.So be looking for some gold info around June 6th.
A pleasure chatting with you. Good luck prospecting!
Steve Herschbach
Steve (or of course someone else who knows), please reconfirm this:
1) Does the Pulse Scan TDI have the "same multi pin connector" to accept and use "all" sizes of NuggetFinder, CoilTek, and Minelab(Commander) both DD and Mono coils??
2) Did Eric Foster (from England) sell the rights of his GoldScan 5 or 6B circuits to Whites which is now this TDI?? (I did hear from Australia that the GoldScan, especially with the after-burner, is very good and the only thing comparable and close to the GP(X) units in performance in the Australian bad mineralization ground. Also the German PI's do not work in Australia. Like the Lorenz with 40" x 40" PVC coil.)
3) Do I hear you right, the TDI has some sort of better than Minelab GP(X) ferrous "iron-steel" reject--discrimination and will still detect gold?? (I would like to know more about this iron masking feature of the TDI if you could please ellaborate a bit it would be very much appreciated.)
Thank You, David!
1) Does the Pulse Scan TDI have the "same multi pin connector" to accept and use "all" sizes of NuggetFinder, CoilTek, and Minelab(Commander) both DD and Mono coils??
2) Did Eric Foster (from England) sell the rights of his GoldScan 5 or 6B circuits to Whites which is now this TDI?? (I did hear from Australia that the GoldScan, especially with the after-burner, is very good and the only thing comparable and close to the GP(X) units in performance in the Australian bad mineralization ground. Also the German PI's do not work in Australia. Like the Lorenz with 40" x 40" PVC coil.)
3) Do I hear you right, the TDI has some sort of better than Minelab GP(X) ferrous "iron-steel" reject--discrimination and will still detect gold?? (I would like to know more about this iron masking feature of the TDI if you could please ellaborate a bit it would be very much appreciated.)
Thank You, David!
Sorry Steve, I would still like to know the first 2 questions "but" forget question number 3) as I found the answer in this link I found later on (great post you did there, wow!):
White's TDI Coin Settings and Target Responses New
by steve herschbach
But one more question Steve:
You mentioned that in your Anchorage area VLF's are all a person needs because of low mineralization, etc. and a PI is not warranted. I do understand this very clearly. Jack Lange wrote this about the X-Terra 70 and about this very subject you are talking about here:
"I did some depth tests in relatively quiet goldfield soil and was amazed at its depth ability--only down about 20% to 30% on the GP3500! However this quickly shrank to about 60% less in mineralized, noisy soils."
http://www.jacksgold.com/articles/xterra70.htm
4) But what (not manual GB) particular Auto-GB VLF machine--coil combination works the best in your Anchorage area?? (Or just anything a person can get his hands on, as it does not really matter, like the Lobo ST, MXT, X-Terra 70 , Eueka Gold, or Sovereign GT for Auto-GB's as anyone will do??)
What about an MXT with the Kellyco EXcelerator II, 18 inch DD coil. For faster ground coverage and depth, has it been tried ??
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/excelerator/excelerator-18inch.htm
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/excelerator/EXcelleratorMain.htm
Thanks again, David!
White's TDI Coin Settings and Target Responses New
by steve herschbach
But one more question Steve:
You mentioned that in your Anchorage area VLF's are all a person needs because of low mineralization, etc. and a PI is not warranted. I do understand this very clearly. Jack Lange wrote this about the X-Terra 70 and about this very subject you are talking about here:
"I did some depth tests in relatively quiet goldfield soil and was amazed at its depth ability--only down about 20% to 30% on the GP3500! However this quickly shrank to about 60% less in mineralized, noisy soils."
http://www.jacksgold.com/articles/xterra70.htm
4) But what (not manual GB) particular Auto-GB VLF machine--coil combination works the best in your Anchorage area?? (Or just anything a person can get his hands on, as it does not really matter, like the Lobo ST, MXT, X-Terra 70 , Eueka Gold, or Sovereign GT for Auto-GB's as anyone will do??)
What about an MXT with the Kellyco EXcelerator II, 18 inch DD coil. For faster ground coverage and depth, has it been tried ??
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/excelerator/excelerator-18inch.htm
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/excelerator/EXcelleratorMain.htm
Thanks again, David!