PaulMBurgess
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Is it my imagination or is it not there seems to me to be a lot of negative feelings about Whites Prism series.Lets here from those that are happy with their prism
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Whites Prism are you happy with it ?
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Mark ( ohio )
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and feel its a very capable machine in its own right... I Like It..
Just My opinion tho.. others may feel differently..
Mark ( ohio )
Just My opinion tho.. others may feel differently..
Mark ( ohio )
We have sold dozens and dozens of Prizm's where I work in Australia. In fact we only have one left in stock and are waiting for the next lot to arrive. A Prizm 6T among them is mine. Wish they'd hurry up and get here! Never had one customer complaint about them, all positive. Might be some negative feedback from the US but in OZ its all good.
Classic series, and competitor's models such as Tesoro's discriminators, often tend to be annoyed with any model that has a delayed response, such as most Garrett's, Bounty Hunter's, and the Prizm series (other than the 6T) to name a few. I even add my name to that group ... IF I am considering what I class as a "top-end" or "high-use" unit for me and my needs.
It is also a price-point issue when I am looking for or suggesting n affordable detector for newcomers to the hobby on a tight budget or for their kids. Keep in mind, however, that many hobbyists have been making do with a garret or Bounty Hunter or some other model that they might have started with that also has a delayed response and, to them, they don't know there is a difference in some detector performance designs. I know many people who bought a Prizm model when they got started and liked it. They hadn't used something like an M6 or IDX Pro to know there was a difference in response/recovery speeds, and they were shopping within their budget.
I felt the Prizm series didn't match what performance I have been enjoying from the Classic series that is essentially replaced. For the dollar investment, it was fine for some others, but not for me. The exceptions are the 6T and the new Coinmaster, which is a bargain Prizm with a good old name. The 6T has a quick response, auto-tracking Ground Balance, and the only way it compares with the rest of the Prizm line-up is that it uses the same control housing, same search coils, and operates in the same frequency range. That's it.
The new Coinmaster takes the bite out of the price and is, in my opinion for what it's worth, exactly what I wish the Prizm's would have offered and been priced at from the get-go! If it were me, I'd trim the arm strap and rod lock off another model and drop the price and limit the Prizm series to two models. The Coinmaster and Coinmaster 2 or II or Ltd. or "T" (for Tone ID) or ???? I'd keep the 6T, but drop the price at least $100 off the suggested retail as it crowds the M6 in that range.
I think it has mainly been the price point that has turned some away from the Prizm series, or that the competition offers something similar for less from the start. They are good detectors, but I think many (most??) of those who have purchased a Prizm model are not the ones who are quite active and visit/participate much on the forums. Due to this we just don't see the input from Prizm users as much as the upper-mid or high-end models.
Monte
It is also a price-point issue when I am looking for or suggesting n affordable detector for newcomers to the hobby on a tight budget or for their kids. Keep in mind, however, that many hobbyists have been making do with a garret or Bounty Hunter or some other model that they might have started with that also has a delayed response and, to them, they don't know there is a difference in some detector performance designs. I know many people who bought a Prizm model when they got started and liked it. They hadn't used something like an M6 or IDX Pro to know there was a difference in response/recovery speeds, and they were shopping within their budget.
I felt the Prizm series didn't match what performance I have been enjoying from the Classic series that is essentially replaced. For the dollar investment, it was fine for some others, but not for me. The exceptions are the 6T and the new Coinmaster, which is a bargain Prizm with a good old name. The 6T has a quick response, auto-tracking Ground Balance, and the only way it compares with the rest of the Prizm line-up is that it uses the same control housing, same search coils, and operates in the same frequency range. That's it.
The new Coinmaster takes the bite out of the price and is, in my opinion for what it's worth, exactly what I wish the Prizm's would have offered and been priced at from the get-go! If it were me, I'd trim the arm strap and rod lock off another model and drop the price and limit the Prizm series to two models. The Coinmaster and Coinmaster 2 or II or Ltd. or "T" (for Tone ID) or ???? I'd keep the 6T, but drop the price at least $100 off the suggested retail as it crowds the M6 in that range.
I think it has mainly been the price point that has turned some away from the Prizm series, or that the competition offers something similar for less from the start. They are good detectors, but I think many (most??) of those who have purchased a Prizm model are not the ones who are quite active and visit/participate much on the forums. Due to this we just don't see the input from Prizm users as much as the upper-mid or high-end models.
Monte
Jeff Beecham Tennessee
New member
Yes... I have a Prizm IV and am not seeing the delays that many seem to be experiencing.. I heard all the talk
on the forums for a long time and would not purchase one, and then watched a video on youtube of the guy waving objects across the coil..
Didn't, see or notice the delay and though I would try one for myself based on the video evidence... Glad I did.. I will say it does seem to
have a quicker response when using the Tone ID mode.. The standard tone seems to lag "in sound" when compared to the high tones
of the tone id mode... I can say that I did a side by side comparison today with the 8 stock coil on the Prism IV and a Tesoro
Silver Sabre U-Max with a Troy Shadow 7" coil... Using the same discrimination, just knocking out a pulltab, I layed a pulltab
and a dime side by side.. Then with a normal smooth sweep speed, moved each detector across the pulltab first and then across the dime.
Measuring the distance of both when a good target response was heard on the dime..... Both machines would give a good signal between
3.5 and 4 inches... And of course when using the 4x6 DD shoooter coil, the distance was cut to about 1.5" between targets... Great separation
for trashy places...
I will say if you wave a coin across the Tesoro and the Prizm, the Tesoro hits dead center of the coil, and the Prizm hits just off center, maybe
1/2 to 3/4 inch from the center in all directions... So I agree that there is some lag, but nothing compared to several of the others that I've used in my day.
I've been very frustrated several times using a machine with excessive lag in response time, to the point that it hinders pinpointing the coin. The Prizm IV that I own,
is not that way at all, and very easy to pinpoint with... Even without using the pinpoint button.. I have a hard time doing that with an ACE 250 for example, and yes
I'm a big Tesoro fan and have always been used to their ease of pinpointing without using the pinpoint modes.. I can pinpoint just as easy with the Prizm as I can with the Tesoro's..
I will say the 4x6 really makes the Prizms a lot of fun to use especially in trashy envriroments.. I keep the shooter on it at all times now, and use the Prizm IV to coinshoot
in some of my trashiest places...
Happy Hunting, Jeff
on the forums for a long time and would not purchase one, and then watched a video on youtube of the guy waving objects across the coil..
Didn't, see or notice the delay and though I would try one for myself based on the video evidence... Glad I did.. I will say it does seem to
have a quicker response when using the Tone ID mode.. The standard tone seems to lag "in sound" when compared to the high tones
of the tone id mode... I can say that I did a side by side comparison today with the 8 stock coil on the Prism IV and a Tesoro
Silver Sabre U-Max with a Troy Shadow 7" coil... Using the same discrimination, just knocking out a pulltab, I layed a pulltab
and a dime side by side.. Then with a normal smooth sweep speed, moved each detector across the pulltab first and then across the dime.
Measuring the distance of both when a good target response was heard on the dime..... Both machines would give a good signal between
3.5 and 4 inches... And of course when using the 4x6 DD shoooter coil, the distance was cut to about 1.5" between targets... Great separation
for trashy places...
I will say if you wave a coin across the Tesoro and the Prizm, the Tesoro hits dead center of the coil, and the Prizm hits just off center, maybe
1/2 to 3/4 inch from the center in all directions... So I agree that there is some lag, but nothing compared to several of the others that I've used in my day.
I've been very frustrated several times using a machine with excessive lag in response time, to the point that it hinders pinpointing the coin. The Prizm IV that I own,
is not that way at all, and very easy to pinpoint with... Even without using the pinpoint button.. I have a hard time doing that with an ACE 250 for example, and yes
I'm a big Tesoro fan and have always been used to their ease of pinpointing without using the pinpoint modes.. I can pinpoint just as easy with the Prizm as I can with the Tesoro's..
I will say the 4x6 really makes the Prizms a lot of fun to use especially in trashy envriroments.. I keep the shooter on it at all times now, and use the Prizm IV to coinshoot
in some of my trashiest places...
Happy Hunting, Jeff
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
I took the new Coinmaster out for spin yesterday and I must say that I was VERY impressed with it. The delay was not noticeable to me, but I'm not all that familiar with the Prizm line. I am very used to the Recovery Delay adjustment on the V3 and Mr. Bill is right on with the depth and recovery relationship. I did not do any "in the ground measuring", but air testing a dime was very impressing, (8+ inches) and targets in the ground had to be 6 inches + in our very mineralized ground. With good depth, depth indicator and pinpoint on an affordable machine, White's has another winner in their lineup, IMHO.
PaulMBurgess
New member
So slower circiutry and response is not necessary a bad thing in The Prism if i understand Mr Bills comment . It seemss to me it makes sense.It gives you more time to look at signal and decide to dig or not. yes? No?
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
Slower response or what is known as a recovery rate is a good thing if you want depth. It is a bad thing if you want separation in very heavy trash. The Prism seems to be adjusted right in the middle where it works well for both. Higher end detectors will have an adjustment so you can change the recovery rate to your needs. It does not necessarily give you more time to deside to dig or not. What it does, is a slower recovery rate will give the detector more time to analyze the target, often resulting in a more accurate ID at a deeper depth.