I don't know if this is the same forum as the one at Whites, But I am really getting tired of 1. the forum moderators and 2. there kind of pompous attitudes, thinking they are just so Superior than any other company's. WRONG!!!!!!! You can't even ask questions wanting someone to give you advice about one of Whites machines and a competitors. without getting your post taken down.I asked if they where coming out with a machine compared to another brands and you would have thought I was a company spy asking for secrets or something. I own two of there machines but when the day comes when I can get a better machine I think another company will be getting my money.I have watched a ton of videos on other machines and Whites just looses me with all there technical jargon and you have to be a collage electronics major to figure out how to operate there high dollar machines.