"Whipping" for better finds??

[hard.times.lures]

I am new to this forum. Let me introduce myself. My name is Bryan and I started using metal detectors over 40 years ago. I live in Oklahoma and back in those days, there were only a few of us using detectors (tube type) and it was great hunting. We used both BFOs and TR machines that were both heavy and battery eaters. I also made cover photos for some of the treasure magazines.

I recently purchased a new Silver uMax from a dealor here in Oklahoma. I paid $20 more for it over eBay prices, but I assumed I would get some training. When I showed up to purchase it, the dealor said he didn't have time and that I would figure it out myself. I should have walked away, but I went ahead and paid him and left.

I have never used a silent type machine like this before, but it was fairly easy to learn. My first hunt in an old and very heavily hunted park, turned up some clad and then a 1914 S half dollar. I am happy with the machine, but I am trying to learn more about using it. I don't understand why one would hunt on foil and then thumb to tab and not dig if the sound disappeared?? Why not just hunt on tab to begin with??

Also, I would like to ask a question about speeding up the swing (whipping) for better discrimination. I read somewhere that speeding up the coil speed would indicate whether it was a coin or not?? Would someone kindly tell me how this works and what to do. Does this technique allow one to find gold and miss tabs?

Thanks in advance for your help,

Bryan

 

[DigginMike]

...I have used a Silver umax for more than 7 years and found plenty- no barber halves though!

Question 2 I don't know, sweep speed is a mystery to me. Using small coil seems I need to go slow and be meticulous. I also use 10.5" donut coil and min disc for relics/deeper stuff.

Now question 1, if coinshooting, I put disc between foil and nickel, to block most foil and get rings, nickels, and on up. Any area heavily populated with pull tabs make more digging, though so if you put disc on tab you lose rings, nickels. When relic hunting with iron disced out, I will thumb up to foil and beyond to see if I can figure out what it is before digging and to get a baseline of what is there.

 

[slingshot]

Whipping the coil only affects small targets like pencil erasers and small foil-or those close to the discriminate level you have chosen. Targets like coins and larger trash targets will seem to hit "harder", and the other smaller targets will be a mere blip or even break up. I used to use it quite often until I read Monte's post about sweep speed on the Tesoros-especially in tough ground. Sure enough I found a wheat penny at 3" in an iron-infested playground. It was only a short, quick signal until I slowed the sweep speed down and it became smooth. With all the target masking I've encountered since slowing down, I wouldn't use it in serious hunting scenarios.

 

[BarberBill]

In my opinion, for serious hunting with most modern machines, whipping is very counter productive. Low and slow is the way to go. Some years back, whipping was THE technique for many machines, but not anymore. If you check your manual, you'll find that the factory refers to a moderate, smooth swing, parallel to the ground.
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[AUDuke]

Whipping went out with the early Whites TRs

 

[deerman]

If all your looking for is coins then switching from foil to tab is fine as the coins will be heard
BUT you will miss GOLD becouse it will read somewhere in the two areas small gold will hit in the foil
area and larger gold will hit in the pulltab range.If it hits solid dig it and you might be suprised at what you dig
Yes you will dig somemore trash but you also have to clean up the trash sometimes to get to the better targets
Try working thru an area two or more times at diffrent angles as you know from you past experence with bfos
you will aways dig trash if the area has been used ,I have been over some areas more then ten times and still find Deep
targets becouse at max depth the detector cone or area covered may only be the size of a dime so even if you overlap
your coil 50/80% you will still be missing some ground at that max depth area and asd for whipping with the detectors
now verses then you don't need it for the most part,some detectors like a faster swing,try yours on a few targets to see
if you can find what works best for you? good luck and dig um deep

 

[David]

On my Musketeer Advantage the whipping technique is NOT a general hunting speed, but rather just a technique used to identify bottle caps once the target is first found while sweeping low and slow then the whipping is applied. New modern bottle caps are not solid iron but rather a alloy that reads higher in the good zone.

The Silver uMax has Fixed GB in the Discrimination Mode the same as the Lobo ST.

I also did hear that the 120 discrimination on the Silver uMax handles "iron infested places" better than the 180 discrimination on the Cibola, Vaquero, and Tejon. Did any of you hear that also?