do you consider to be the best "iron worker" (mainly in beds of various size nails)?-----One that runs the smoothest/quietest (in nails) & still brings up a good "hit" when going over a (hopefully good) non-ferrous target?-----Which Tesoro/coil combo do you prefer in this situation?----------Del
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Which Tesoro............
- Thread starter D&P-OR
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My pick of the current machines is the Outlaw with 5.75" or 8" coil. The smaller coil in heavy trash.
Not to take anything away from the Compadre and their (also) excellent discrimination, but I'd take a "ED120" unit with adjustable ground balance. I usually don't hunt nail areas, but when using my Outlaw with a concentric coil, it seems like steel bottle caps aren't even there.
Not to take anything away from the Compadre and their (also) excellent discrimination, but I'd take a "ED120" unit with adjustable ground balance. I usually don't hunt nail areas, but when using my Outlaw with a concentric coil, it seems like steel bottle caps aren't even there.
The Tesoro based machines that i use for really trashy saxon/roman sites are a Laser B1 or B3 both based on the Bandido range with a 4'' coil and also Trident 11 Extreme which is a hot version of the Vaquero with the 5'' NEL Sharp coil,both very good on these types of sites,i will say that a trashy site here in the UK is not necessary ring pulls or foil as that was not around a couple of thousand years ago,but general trash from habitation.If you get onto a roman site that has 100s of hobnails from the shoes that roman wore they can give a signal like a decent target,but you can decipher them slightly better.
When hunting on sites with lots of small iron around then only a small coil can get between the trash and locate the decent finds,forget about depth on these types of sites,if its a productive site then it could take a very long time clearing the small iron targets before you can start using a slightly larger coil,trouble is when using say a stock size or larger coil on sites like these you will get iron masking problems,so whats the logic in using such a large coil.
Of course what detector/s/coil combinations work for one person on the sites that they hunt may not work on another detectorist site/location,apart from some locations that have more hobnails than others i dont usually have problems as such with nails,but small iron from continual site use on a saxon site that has been occupied for 100s of years then the good desirable targets will be in with the iron items as well,small coils on these sites will always win the day.
When hunting on sites with lots of small iron around then only a small coil can get between the trash and locate the decent finds,forget about depth on these types of sites,if its a productive site then it could take a very long time clearing the small iron targets before you can start using a slightly larger coil,trouble is when using say a stock size or larger coil on sites like these you will get iron masking problems,so whats the logic in using such a large coil.
Of course what detector/s/coil combinations work for one person on the sites that they hunt may not work on another detectorist site/location,apart from some locations that have more hobnails than others i dont usually have problems as such with nails,but small iron from continual site use on a saxon site that has been occupied for 100s of years then the good desirable targets will be in with the iron items as well,small coils on these sites will always win the day.
D&P-OR said:Do you guys think the Outlaw runs quieter in iron (nails) than the Bandito 2 micro max?-----Or is there any difference between those two in that regard?
While I have both, I haven't ever compared them side by side. Both are very good in small iron though, and both really hit on high conductors!
My (almost) daily user is the Outlaw, and my Bandido IIm, since looking nearly new, is more of a closet queen... When I'm not using the Outlaw, it's usually the Vaquero but sometimes the Cibola in some parks, or the Eldorado in totlots... Eldorado with the 5.75 coil and disc set at its lowest, will suck staples and bb's up from the depths... ^_^ Not that I'm looking for staples, but with that sensitivity, I'm (hopefully) not going to miss any small gold.
Anyway, as Mega also says, the Bandido line is the one to pick for being quiet in trash... Outlaw is just the latest in that line.
BTW, my Outlaw found me three wheatbacks today, '10, '44, '51, and what looks like a nice silver pendant. No hallmark on the pendant, so it could just be plated; not sure yet. All found today in an old Los Angeles area park, along with a couple $ in clad. The outlaw found me another silver ring in the same area yesterday, among plenty of steel caps and pulltabs. ^_^
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My feeling only, but stick to concentric coils and the only machine I would be careful about using is the Tejon. It has a reputation for sounding off on iron like good targets, and takes some experience to get to understand. Any other unit should work just fine, depending on how deep you want to hunt. The Tejon should be fine too once you understand it, but that can take awhile.
Some folks like deep targets, or prefer more shallow targets. It's all up to you.
Some folks like deep targets, or prefer more shallow targets. It's all up to you.
Miser67 said:My feeling only, but stick to concentric coils and the only machine I would be careful about using is the Tejon. It has a reputation for sounding off on iron like good targets, and takes some experience to get to understand. Any other unit should work just fine, depending on how deep you want to hunt. The Tejon should be fine too once you understand it, but that can take awhile.
Some folks like deep targets, or prefer more shallow targets. It's all up to you.
Tejon is a "relic machine" capable of good depth. It is best used with larger coils and in mild soil. It is not a quiet machine in trash with any coil, but will discriminate best with small concentrics. I also have Tejons, but they would not be my pick for trashy spots. They can be used as an all-around machine or a coin shooter...but it's not what they were mde for. A Tesoro based on the Silver Sabre or Bandido lines would be best. I have all of the H.O.T. machines and many of the microMAX units. In general, I think the MicroMAX Tesoros are all quieter in iron.
The ED-120 Discrimination models with the quietest in dense iron being the Bandido and Bandido II because they have manual Ground Balance for versatility. The Silver Sabre II would be my "turn-on-and-go" choice [size=small](a term that used to be assigned to models with a preset GB)[/size].
These models are light and comfortable to use, but slightly heavier choices could be the manual GB Pantera and the "turn-on-and-go" Golden Sabre II [size=small](using the Pantera circuitry)[/size]
Still good in most dense iron trash, and providing a little 'edge' in detection depth and signal strength from mid-depth to deeper targets, my very-close 2[sup]nd[/sup] batch to choose from include the Bandido II [size=small]micro[/size]MAX, with manual GB, and the "turn-on-and-go" Silver Sabre [size=small]micro[/size]MAX.
In all cases I have found the thin-profile 6" Concentric coil to be the best all-around performing search coil. I keep one mounted on each of my Tesoro's full-time.
There are some other models based on the ED-120 acceptance Discriminate circuitry that can work just about comparable to my favorites mentioned above. The current model is the Outlaw, which is good, but I just don't care for the dual-position pushbutton function and little quirks in using it. Also the "turn-on-and-go" Conquistador µMAX. I am referring to the 2[sup]nd[/sup] version of the Conquistador with the Frequency Shift toggle located on the control panel, and with the µMAX name on the side and control face decals.
There are five Tesoro models I always keep an eye open for in choice condition as they are my favorites for iron debris sites, and those are the Bandido, Bandido II, Bandido II µMAX, Silver Sabre II and Silver Sabre µMAX. so, naturally, these are the models I suggest be searched for .... and the thin 6" Concentric coil.
Monte
These models are light and comfortable to use, but slightly heavier choices could be the manual GB Pantera and the "turn-on-and-go" Golden Sabre II [size=small](using the Pantera circuitry)[/size]
Still good in most dense iron trash, and providing a little 'edge' in detection depth and signal strength from mid-depth to deeper targets, my very-close 2[sup]nd[/sup] batch to choose from include the Bandido II [size=small]micro[/size]MAX, with manual GB, and the "turn-on-and-go" Silver Sabre [size=small]micro[/size]MAX.
In all cases I have found the thin-profile 6" Concentric coil to be the best all-around performing search coil. I keep one mounted on each of my Tesoro's full-time.
There are some other models based on the ED-120 acceptance Discriminate circuitry that can work just about comparable to my favorites mentioned above. The current model is the Outlaw, which is good, but I just don't care for the dual-position pushbutton function and little quirks in using it. Also the "turn-on-and-go" Conquistador µMAX. I am referring to the 2[sup]nd[/sup] version of the Conquistador with the Frequency Shift toggle located on the control panel, and with the µMAX name on the side and control face decals.
There are five Tesoro models I always keep an eye open for in choice condition as they are my favorites for iron debris sites, and those are the Bandido, Bandido II, Bandido II µMAX, Silver Sabre II and Silver Sabre µMAX. so, naturally, these are the models I suggest be searched for .... and the thin 6" Concentric coil.
Monte