Which one Safari or the F75 LTD ? For All around use.

[Enrique]

n/t

 

[idig4]

I have used the Safari at the beach, for relic hunting and coin hunting at the park. It excells in all three conditions. I would recommend an additional coil (5" or 6") for trashy areas.

Great detector!

 

[Shambler]

if the LTD does what I'm hearing, it will move to the head of the line ....

 

[D&P-OR]

You're asking about two VERY different detectors.---If I was considering a Safari--I wouldn't stop there-I'd "spring" for an Etrac.----Safari or F-75 LTD?--Think I'd go for the LTD, then be prepared to put the time in with it & REALLY learn it.----I own both the Etrac & the F-75 LTD and like them both.---I think that bp mode on the LTD is going to make that machine "a good 'un".-------Del

 

[UK Brian]

As you say all round use then it has to be the Minelab despite its drawback of not being able to be worked as quickly as most single frequency detectors. The main drawback for me with the LTD is that on my sites or anywhere with a lot of iron the T2 is the better choice. However with the LTD T2 version the depth improvement is limited to the modes that I don't want to use which would force me into having the F75 which is not the one we need in Europe. Its different for you if your in the States and just want to work the dry sand/parks and cherry pick.

 

[Enrique]

Thanks for the input guys I think a closer look at the Safari is what I lean toward being a more User Friendly unit and all around use ,Price Thanks

 

[go-rebels]

However with the LTD T2 version the depth improvement is limited to the modes that I don't want to use which would force me into having the F75 which is not the one we need in Europe. Its different for you if your in the States and just want to work the dry sand/parks and cherry pick.

"However with the LTD T2 version the depth improvement is limited to the modes that I don't want to use"... meaning the modes that find metal (???)

The T2 is very similar to the F75 with an expanded range for iron identification. Do you really use that expanded range to chose dig/ no dig? If not, the F75 LTD works just fine in dry sand, parks, lawns, turned-over farm fields, tall grass, mud, corn stubble, forest, hard packed clay, cinders near railroad tracks, rock strewn ground and saturated salt water beaches. No, in won't go into shallow ocean water. The Safari has it beat there.

 

[UK Brian]

Modes that find metal ??? What does that mean ?

Unless they did a reprogramme at the last minute the F75 applies the boost to many modes. In Britain that expanded iron range is essential. I prefer to detect in all metal but the second choice is 1+. The T2 LTD can't apply the boost here. If I use 2+ target masking is made worse.
The original T2 and F75 may look similar but have many differences such as the all metal mode being motion on the T2 and static on the F75. Go to the LTD versions and the differences increase.

As for beach performance working on the beach is very different to working well. For those who want to do well on the wet salt then they have to go for twin or multifrequency, or pulse.

 

[go-rebels]

Modes that find metal ??? What does that mean ?

What modes do you think are boosted that you don't use? The detector has only two ways of processing signals for analysis, continuous and sampling. We don't even know how the T2-LTD boosts those modes or if the boost effect carries to AM, but I'm sure AM is covered as it is with the F75 LTD.

Unless they did a reprogramme at the last minute the F75 applies the boost to many modes. In Britain that expanded iron range is essential. I prefer to detect in all metal but the second choice is 1+. The T2 LTD can't apply the boost here. If I use 2+ target masking is made worse.

The two new boost modes apply both to the DE process. Boosted DE (BP/CL) affects the entire range of ferrous/conductivity including iron. The 1+/2+ is only a tone option and is independent upon which process is chosen, consequently boost can be applied to AM, 1+ or 2+. It makes no sense that target masking is made worse in the 2+ mode.

The original T2 and F75 may look similar but have many differences such as the all metal mode being motion on the T2 and static on the F75. Go to the LTD versions and the differences increase.

The F75 and F75 LTD each have static all-metal modes AND motion all-metal modes. The T2-LTD has not yet been released so we know nothing specific about that model yet.

For those who want to do well on the wet salt then they have to go for twin or multifrequency, or pulse.

There are numerous folks who have had good success using the single frequency F75 in welt salt sand. There is a particularly interesting youtube video showing a guy pulling a ring from 8"+ tied to a string right after a wave rolled over his target.

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Brian, I really don't think you know the operating principles of the T2 or F75 very well.

 

[UK Brian]

I don't think you know much about anything... a ring at eight inches. Well I must go take a pill because if you think that is beach machine performance your working in the days of IB/TR's.
Now before you get all excited try and borrow a T2 and try some experiments with target masking. You may learn something.

Don't try to swap between the T2 I was talking about and the very different F75 to muddy the waters and don't read things that you want to see. I said the original T2 has a motion all metal mode and the F75 a static one which is why the manual says its a single filter MOTION MODE .

And don't assume that because its an American machine that they just stroll round the local park and say thats the machine finalised. They brought the detectors over here some time back as Europe is such a large market place for detectors.

In your original post you act amazed that anyone should want an expanded iron range (I assume over the doubtful benefits of notch and back light). Sounds like your a strictly park and top of beach detectorist. Get yourself a high power pulse for the beach and a Nautilus for relics. They will soon pay for themselves and you can start a collection of finds.

 

[UK Brian]

The T2 LTD prototypes have been out for more than a month and there's reports on various forums. Good reports as with the F75 LTD but still doesn't make it a wet beach machine and the question is for an all round detector.

 

[go-rebels]

I don't think you know much about anything... .

I said the original T2 has a motion all metal mode and the F75 a static one which is why the manual says its a single filter MOTION MODE .
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Directly from the F75 manual: "The Motion All Metal mode is more sensitive and offers better feel than the Discrimination mode, and is used to find all metal objects present in the ground. The searchcoil must be in motion for objects to be detected. This is a single filter search mode similar to the

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Brian,

I was also a little disappointed to find out the boost mode was available only in 2f . On the other hand you still have the excellent iron hunting ability of the normal pf mode and the optional use of boost when iron is not as much of a problem.

Tom

 

[UK Brian]

It does smack of putting the T2 back as second place to the F75 (after the T2 performance was improved to match the Fisher). What I think should have happened is that the T2 should have been regarded as a coinhunter/relic machine wth the F75 as the coinshooter for those who require notch etc but the boost modes should be the same on each model.

 

[UK Brian]

What people do is make a few finds, sell them and then they can afford more than one machine. Its what serious detector users do.

I have three pulse for the wet sand.
One diving machine.
Minelab and Whites twin/multifrequency for heavy iron areas.
Single (high) frequency machines for plough soil
Single (lower frequency) for pasture.
Plus machines for industrial foreshores/Roman spoil heaps and where iron see through is more important than depth.

Now the Nauty was always a odd shaft design so people would either swap shafts or cut the lower shaft and detect nearer their feet. For some time now you would just order the Whites shaft conversion instead of the old design. Problem solved !

 

[go-rebels]

Remember, this thread started with a question of "Safari or LTD for all around use". It's ending with a picture of 11 detectors spread out across a lawn.

I work 60hr/week for an auto manufacturer so probably would never find enough common stuff to sell to fund a 2nd detector, let alone another TEN. I guess then I'm not a serious detector user.

To each his own...

 

[chuck ky]

which minelab do you use? i couldn't tell for sure in the picture. i saw some coils that looked like minelab but couldn't see the box well enough to tell. thanks.

 

[UK Brian]

Only Minelab I have kept is a Sovereign modified on a British straight shaft to balance out the SunRay 12" coil or 14" Penetrator coil with a U.S. stainless steel armrest, push button mode change on handle and secondary Pre-Amp gain modification.(so its a Australian/French/US/British combination) Jumper set to no tones which seems to allow a slightly faster sweep speed.

No need for tone's in Europe as all we need is small iron reject and the Sovereign is already really overdiscriminating set at minimum. Larger iron can be good.