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Wheres the Gold?

PaPa

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I have been MD'ing for at least 12 years and use a Mine lab Elite. I have found many different items but only one gold ring. I go to the beach each year for an extended stay and dig everything, I have found silver bracelets, silver rings, ear rings and a lot of clad and who knows how many pull tabs, but only the one gold ring. Now I have read articles about folks using their Elites and supposedly know what they are digging by the sound before they retrieve the item. I don't get it! I take a gold coin, gold neckless, and gold rings and pass them under my coil and get different sounds and readings on the meter for each. When I look at the chart for numbers indicating the item, I see gold almost across the spectrum. So according to the chart almost everything that sets off the Elite has a possibility of being gold. I need some experienced instruction here. What is it that I am missing.

I have gone with people using other brands of MD'rs and have out performed them in finding coins but where is the gold?

Papa
 
Some people stumble onto gold by pure luck. But you need to put yourself into a position to be successful. There are a few sources out there that can help you learn how. PM me for some links.
 
What are your settings? how do you have it set
 
With beaches its all about knowledge and research....... and that takes time, difficult to do if you are hitting it for an extended trip once a year.

Sand levels, tides, currents, base sand depth, grey or black sand level, wind direction, natural beach or artificial pumped sand, etc etc....

And of course a bit of luck.

So its not easy unless you live close to the beaches and get to know their habits.... not even easy for some seasoned detectorists it would seem - I consistently see someone pounding an area of wet sand and getting frustrated at not finding anything........ thing is he is hunting a sand bank with a base depth of around 40ft so unless any gold has been lost about an hour before he gets there he has absolutely no chance of finding any gold, it will have sunk without trace....... eventually it may turn up on a different beach around 5 miles away...

The Sovereign is a killer in the wet sand - but the machine is only 50% of a beach hunters ability to find stuff (probably less than that).

If you only have a limited time beach hunting where it difficult to be able to 'read' the beach then just pound as many area's as you can and enjoy yourself.
 
BeachBat said:
With beaches its all about knowledge and research....... and that takes time, difficult to do if you are hitting it for an extended trip once a year.

Sand levels, tides, currents, base sand depth, grey or black sand level, wind direction, natural beach or artificial pumped sand, etc etc....

And of course a bit of luck.

So its not easy unless you live close to the beaches and get to know their habits.... not even easy for some seasoned detectorists it would seem - I consistently see someone pounding an area of wet sand and getting frustrated at not finding anything........ thing is he is hunting a sand bank with a base depth of around 40ft so unless any gold has been lost about an hour before he gets there he has absolutely no chance of finding any gold, it will have sunk without trace....... eventually it may turn up on a different beach around 5 miles away...

The Sovereign is a killer in the wet sand - but the machine is only 50% of a beach hunters ability to find stuff (probably less than that).

If you only have a limited time beach hunting where it difficult to be able to 'read' the beach then just pound as many area's as you can and enjoy yourself.

In addition to what BB said, pay more attention to where the bathers are gathering along the shore. What is the age of the people in the water? Some beaches attract a younger crowd who are more likely to be wearing silver than gold. The beaches with better demographics are more likely to have more higher gold content jewelry than others where you may find more costume jewelry.
 
Thanks for all the responses. I could not agree more about being lucky, first you have to be in the right area but you have to get your coil over the gold and identify it or as I do, dig everything (on the beach) but what if your not on the beach. Let me say I have watched the beach as far as what type of people are in the area, i.e. young, middle aged etc. I have gone to places I felt that would give me an excellent opportunity to find gold. I do not understand the beach study as I only get to go a couple times a year so once again I lean on luck.

My Elite is set as; Disc and Notch are almost all the way to the left or minimum, Threshold is barely audible (almost to the dot), Sensitivity is just beyond the click or on or just beyond "Auto", Volume is all the way up to the right. I am in disc and variable mode.

After I did my test with different pieces of gold and saw and heard the type of response, I don't see anyone can tell it is gold before retrieving the item. I have read where someone would say I heard that low rich sound and new it was gold, how?! I have to be missing something about my machine. I have used it several years and pretty much know when I hit silver by the sound and readout but it doesn't bounce all over the spectrum usually at 180 on the meter and the sound is always repeatable for silver.

So, can any of you tell if you have found gold before retrieving the target?
 
when someone loses a silver ring they let it go at that when they lose a 3.000.00 ring then they get somone to find it I really think this is why not so many rings are found but it would still stand the ocean beach would be one of the best places to find one so much trash who could find it in all that and so vast an earea whear was i exactly ? keep trying i know it took me 4 years to find a gold ring and you have gone 12 your number must be coming up
 
After I did my test with different pieces of gold and saw and heard the type of response, I don't see anyone can tell it is gold before retrieving the item. I have read where someone would say I heard that low rich sound and new it was gold, how?! I have to be missing something about my machine.

No your not...

So, can any of you tell if you have found gold before retrieving the target?

No - there was a discussion a while back (which got extremely boring!!) - in real time hunting its almost impossible, I am sure there are people who have 'musician hearing' who could tell the difference - but for the other 99.999999999999% of us, forget it. When I dig targets in a specific area and I hit a tone - I do think "this could be gold" but that's me just being optimistic. For every time you hear someone say "I knew it was gold" you have consider the million times before where they have dug thinking gold only to pull out a pull tab.

Nothing wrong on your settings as long as its stable - all beaches are different for required settings, mine for instance is best when sensitivity is at 12 o'clock (straight up on the dial) - I do run hot in selective area's but only after it has been raining or in the winter months. All metal is deeper - but on my main beach I could put the sensitivity in auto and still not get the thing stable.........

There is no real general correct settings for the beach - its dependent on what each different beach is happy with.
 
I have the meter mod.When I see a low number that is not a pull tab or some other indentifiable target number holding steady that is a good target. A lot of times I am aware that I have something good before I dig. But only because of the meter.
 
high tones are copper/lead/silver, mid-high tone is gold and cupronickle coins, mid tone is alu ring pulls (rings hit harder than a ringpull). low tone is foil. Solid numbers on the meter tend to mean you have hit something good. not always but you can usually tell.. I dig all solid tones (ignoring low tones on the beach) and dont use the meter since at the end of the day you will dig a good signal anyway. I have also increased the tones on my sov so that the high tones are slightly higher tone.
As for gold, I got lucky. I found my first after 6 months, then 2 more during the following month. The time I put in though was insane and I can no longer do it :(
 
Patience must be added to the above post. As of last week I could call the target coming out of the beach say 75% of the time.(Excalibur) Pennies and dimes causing the most trouble after 3hrs as they and all other tones begin to blend together. I have now switched to a better set of headphones and can't call any targets. (give me time) It troubles me to read post about not finding gold or older coins. Both have one thing in common. They both will be the deepest targets you seek! Gold being 9 time heavier than trash and coins on the beach. Old coins being dropped 2 to 3 hundred years ago will be deeper than those dropped today. Some in both case will be 12 to 18 inches down.(dirt &sand) Gold and old coins are NOT those blaring signals that come though you headphones!(well sometimes) Many times while beach hunting I sometimes say did I hear a threshold break (not tone) go back over it and make it speak to me! Hearing the tiniest of a break I Dig four scoops down and come up with a gold ring. This is the reason why you see several known hunters that post constant gold finds regularly! Resonantly before work I stopped to hunt the beach 3 others had beat me to the beach, conditions were sanded in and bleak! Only having 1 1/2 hrs I decided to not cover much ground. The first 1/2 hrs produce one trash target. the last hr produced 2 gold rings and 6 other targets total 2 wee trash! I covered about 200 ft of beach. The three other hunters were long gone home. Low and slow!
 
hi i use the elite on my local beaches here in the uk and believe me they find gold rings. gold makes all sorts of tones depending on the depth/carat e.c.t so my advice would be if you get a 2way signal loud or quiet dig it and the more often you visit the beaches the luckier you'll become. GOOD HUNTING
 
papa, you have a 2-part question: a) where is the gold? b) can anyone, or any machine, tell gold apart from junk?

For your first question: you are hunting beaches, so that's a good start. Swimming beaches will always have the highest ratios of jewelry (as opposed to junky turf at in-land parks, for instance). And to get the ratios even better yet, find out when the beaches are eroding out in the wet-sand-zone, and hunt then. Because when sand it on the "way out" (high tides combined with higher-than-normal on-shore swells) then the wet zone becomes mother nature's natural riffle board/sluice box. All the light targets (tabs, foil, slaw, etc...) is GONE :) leaving only the heavier targets behind.

As for the 2nd part of your question: As beach-bat pointed out, this question has come up before often time. Because yes, you will often hear people claim they can tell gold apart from aluminum, because "they sound different" (and then they launch into complex speals about tones, musician's ears, softness, boldness, smoothness, etc...). Here's what I suggest you do, if/when you ever run into the people who claim there is a difference: Quickly take them out to the nearest inner city blighted ghetto junky turfed park, and turn them loose. See how much gold they can dig, while leaving aluminum behind. I believe they will quickly abandon their claims.

The reason a lot of people THINK they have just "heard a difference" when they just dug a gold ring, is the following psychology at work: The trick of "Selective memory". It works like this: You dig 100 tabs, foil wads, etc... Everytime you stop to dig, you subconsciously think to yourself: "this one sounds different. It could be gold" But when it turns out to be junk, you say to yourself "yeah, now that I think of it, it *did* sound kind of junky" and you forget your premonitions. But when you FINALLY get a gold ring, THEN you remember your premonitions, and think "aha! I *knew* it was gold" :rolleyes: It's the same phenomenom that happens when we think our dreams we dream at night come true. But the truth is, we dream hundreds of dreams per night, which never come true, so we promptly forget them all a few minutes after waking up. But when one coincidentally comes true (like the song you dreamed about is on the radio the minute your music alarm wakes you up), then you think "aha! I'm psychic!" But it's all just selective memory.
 
I am a bit confused by the comparing of pop tabs to gold? I for one have never considered a pop tab to be anyway close to a gold sound! If someone said rolled up aluminum foil fooled you as being gold, I am with you 100%! Or if you said beaver tails sound like gold right on! Pull tabs are two tones that it can hardly be gold, they enter and leave in two different tones is even a better sign they won't be gold. Gold will always start the same as it ends , no highs, no lows, at the start middle or end! Gold will be the cleanest signal you hear come though your headphones! One mistake many make is to change the target volume on there detectors, this is a sure way that tones will change in your ear!!!! I agree that calling gold is hard at to do, its should never be confused with aluminum! That being said I have mostly abandon discriminate for PP on the Excalibur as it has much more info to give than just tones. Depth, size, roundness can be determined in All metal/PP
 
hi buried. You say you:

"never considered a pop tab to be anyway close to a gold sound!"

I assume you're talking about the classic round tabs, right? They discontinued those in the 1980s I think, right? If so, you're talking about a predictable TID. Gold may or may not fall into that particular TID signature. But all those pulltabs will certainly fall within that TID signature. Thus it's not a "gold vs aluminum" question here. Because there can certainly be a gold ring out there, somewhere, that will read exactly as the pulltab you may be holding in your hand, right? Thus this is more a function of "ring enhancement" programs, not gold vs aluminum.

You say:

"Pull tabs are two tones that it can hardly be gold, they enter and leave in two different tones" Gauranteed there will some gold rings out there, or a gold amulet or bracelet or something, that can be made to "enter and leave in two different tones" Thus again: not a function of gold vs aluminum, but a factor of size, shape, alloys, tilt, links broken vs links connected, etc....
 
I agree with your above comments. Yes there is a TID for each target and some will have the same whether it trash or treasure! I was speaking as to the question of sound not TID. As the original question ask about telling targets apart via sound. This is where the Sovereigns and Excaliburs excel in there ability to have some of the best tones. PaPa is correct and so are you with the fact that there is a piece of treasure out there that will fit every meter reading and that those same readings will also contain trash items. That leaves only the operator to decide which is trash or treasure not just by the meter (silly) but by the sounds coming thought the headphones! Some targets will sound similar but gold will always be the cleanest sound you'll hear! I have been able to call a target with the excalibur beach hunting for some time now. yes odd shaped gold or trash will always be the anomaly. On the beach we are going to dig it anyhow. In a park we all tend to be concerned to not dig holes when retrieving trash!(this is a good thing)steve
 
Buried, when I used the terms "TID", I meant it as a catch-all for not only the numerical readout (cross-hairs of a 2d screen, etc...) but ALSO the tones/sounds as well. Perhaps that was a sloppy lumping on my part, but in the interest of space, I figured TID could apply to anything ID related (whether numerical scale readouts, or tone/sounds).

Thus re-read what I wrote, with this definition, and think you will see that we have a discrepancy :) I am of the opinion that there will/is never any sounds or tones that are "only" going to be gold. Once you start factoring in slaw (which comes in infinate shapes and sizes, as you know), it's not just "anomolies" that fool a person. Because think of it Buried: if it were true that the sounds and tones of a machine could ID even only 50% of gold items (the rest being "anomolies") and then if some junk items (the "anomoly" junk/slaw items) mimicked that remaining 50%, then ....... heck, why not just chase *only* those potential gold items? I mean, most of us would gladly go out and put up with 10 or 20 or 30 to 1 odds, in junky parks, if we thought such a recipe existed, right? But no. What you will find, is you will go 200, 300, or 500 to 1 odds, and you will eventually have to admit that it's nothing more than random odds, and that there is no "gold" sound, or odds to play.

If you still think this is not the case, then I ask you: Can you, or anyone, go out to a junky park, and demonstrate the ability? Mind you we would not at call it a failure of the demonstration if the person found multiple aluminum targets, that he marked up to being "anomolies". Ie.: the test would not be asking for perfection. But at what point does it just become "random odds"?
 
Tom, You have very good points and great information that have been typed out in our discussion on this widely opinionated subject of metal detecting. I hope all that are following this post and others post that will follow will use all the information to better there skills when treasure hunting.Isn't that what its all about? I hope what others can take away from this is that all available info that comes out the headphones can be used. Meter numbers, sounds, shape, depth. knowledge of the area Ect. Some will be able to use this info to there advantage others will continue to go out and randomly hunt and stumble onto treasures!
steve
 
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