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Where can I MD around Estes Park, Colorado without getting arrested?

kirk01

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I just found out today that our family reunion will be held next July in Estes Park, Colorado at The Fawn Valley Inn.

It seems like the area is surrounded by National Parks, National Forests and State Parks.

Is there any place my wife and I can MD near there legally?

Being from Ga. I have never MD'ed out west.

Help!

Good Hunting
Denny
 
From fmdac.org website...
Colorado http://parks.state.co.us/

"Yes With permission from the park manager.

This information was compiled by a Colorado State Park Ranger and fellow detectorist.

Metal detecting is allowed at the discretion of the park manager. Check with each park manager before hunting to obtain permission and the individual park rules.
Metal detecting is not specifically addressed by Colorado State Park Regulations

Individual park managers do have the authority to restrict use in certain areas if there is a threat to the resource but these restrictions are rare and will be clearly posted at all entrances to the area.

Otherwise the only limiting Park Regulation is:

Reg.#100(b)(2) "It shall be prohibited to remove, destroy, mutilate, modify or deface any structure, water control device, poster, notice, sign or marker, tree, shrub, or other plant or vegetation, including dead timber and forest litter, or any object of archaeological, geological, historical, zoological or natural / environmental value or interest on Parks and Outdoor Recreation Lands. (This regulation does not include removal of firewood from designated firewood areas, noxious weeds as defined by statute, or recreational gold mining within the Arkansas Headwaters Recreation Area, except where prohibited as indicated by posted signs."

Of course other related rules like park pass requirements, hours of use, registered historical site restrictions, etc. always apply, but otherwise recreational metal detecting in Colorado State Parks is fine."





and from someone that lived in Colorado......

"I lived in Colorado for 20 years... shouldn't be any problem hunting local parks and school yards, or Open Space. Same as any other state for Historical sites and National/ State parks, which are generally forbidden. If you enter a State park you might look for a ranger station and ask to be certain."
 
Revier,

Thank you.

Your info will help.

Anyone else who lives in the Denver area, your suggestions regarding ground conditions, what MD you use, how you set it up etc. would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Denny
 
The only note I would add to revier's post, is to take into consideration the source of the material he gives, for the "ask at each park kiosk" type answer he has, for that state. The source for this info. comes the same way. Various people over the years have attempted to make a compendium for all the 50 state's park's depts. For example, a book came out decades ago, called "Treasure laws of the United States". It attempted to do this very thing, to make an alphabetic listing of all 50 states, saying what each one's state park's dept. policy was. And when the author set about to do it, he did the obvious thing, to GET the information: He asked! He simply sent off 50 xeroxed copies of a form letter, sent to the state capitol of each state, to whatever desk-bound bureaucrat was in charge of answering for the state's park's dept. The letter said something to the effect of "what is your laws regarding the use of metal detectors in your state's parks?"

The idea of the book, was to compile all the 50 replies he received, put them in book form (with the exact letter-head reply from each state re-printed in the book), and then sell the book to md'rs. Sounds noble enough, eh? Then if you're a RV traveller, presto, you just carry the book from state to state, and it removes any guessing. Or if you get hassled by someone, you can merely show them the exact reply from their own state capitol. Who could have a problem with an idea like this, right? I mean, who better to ask, than the state's themselves, right? How sweet.

But here's where the problems started: A lot of the letters the fellow received back, to his inquiries, spelled dire things, or outright no's. Or a common answer was like the one you're getting now: "Inquire at each park you come to", blah blah blah. But interestingly, some of these dire sounding things were coming in from states that ..... quite frankly ..... had never had a problem before. That is to say, the state parks had just been routinely detected, and no one had ever had a problem before (nor would anyone have know they needed to "ask", in the first place, as they had just never been a problem). So now you have old-timers seeing a book like this, asking themselves "since when?".

You see the psychology at play here? You obviously have some desk-bound bureaucrat getting a letter like this, who ........... must pass it by their legal depts, a myriad of various type parks within their system, etc.... Ie.: most parks would obviously be innocuous, non-historically themed, regular beaches, etc.... Ie.: no one would care. However, admittedly, within each state, there is bound to be a few that are sensitive historic monuments. So put yourself in the shoes of the person answering this. What's going to be the easy answer?? "No", right? Or "inquire at each one you come to", and so forth. So sure enough, lists like this, with answers like that, send lots of people scurrying to ask at each kiosk. Then the snowball effect goes further: rangers and kiosk workers get this repeated questions, call their superiors and offices, and more and more "no's" come out as the "safe answer". See the vicious circle?

CA also has wording like that (ask at each park). Yet I can tell you for a fact that we have lots of state parks where you can detect till you're blue in the face, and no one will care (and no, no one "asks", and no, no one "gets arrested" :rolleyes: ).

So ..... for this reason, I don't put a lot of stock in those lists. If you just stay clear of obvious historic sensitive monuments, is the only rule of thumb I would use.
 
Just don't try it in a FL state park..... you will get arrested!
 
This fear of "arrests", "tickets", and "confiscations" gets thrown out anytime someone suggests "go till told otherwise" mentality. Yet when you ask the folks for examples, few, if any, are ever forthcoming. Can you cite any examples for us of anyone detecting a non-posted, non-historically themed state park, in FL? Please give the details. I'm guessing any examples will be someone who couldn't take a warning, or night-sneaking around known or posted sensitive monument type things. If you have an example of someone getting arrested there, for innocuous locations (standard run-of-mill campgrounds or beaches) I'd love to hear it.
 
Thanks Tom great reply.

Here in Georgia I stay away from State and Federal lands unless there is published information stating I can MD.

For example the Federal US Army Corps of Engineers has a notice as to where you can MD.

I carry a copy with me.

There is one State owned park with no info but thru trial and not knowing it was State owned I found that the Police that rode thru waved at me and drove by.

I later found out it was State owned (I thought it was County) and continue to MD there today.

I have heard bad stories about Federal land hunting, i.e. taking away your MD and getting fined.

I mostly stick to city and county owned property and private with permission.

For city and county I don't ask anyone because as you noted the answer will probably be NO!

Never had any problem there.

The old maxim "no one cares...until you ask" applies as to why I am looking for hunters who live in and around the Denver area to tell me about the local attitudes about MD'g.

Good Hunting
Denny
 
Tom, in the state of Fl it is against the law to MD in state parks. All of them. There are folks trying to get this changed but it's an uphill battle. At our next club meeting there's going to be a state senator and we're trying to show him the good side of our hobby. In response to some guys who were digging mounds with a backhoe at night on state land that darn near got us shut down on all public lands last year in a knee jerk response. The park managers and staff will bust you on state land and since it's a state law they don't have to put up a sign at each entrance.

There are also at least two counties who have banned it in county parks. I also have a city right up the road that has banned it in their parks but it looks like we might see that one changed in the near future. In one county next to mine you have to get a permit to hunt their parks. I have it and have been confronted there before. Without the permit you get caught you get escorted off by police, can possibly lose your equipment and get banned from the county park system for one year. I read the law, it's real.
 
"............ the Police that rode thru waved at me and drove by ................ I later found out it was State owned (I thought it was County) and continue to MD there today. "

Some people would infer that since the police didn't care, that it "must be ok". Afterall, "certainly they would have said something if I was doing something amiss", right? However, the in-action of the police, simply means you didn't ask enough police, or bureaucrats "can I?" If you continue to ask far enough up the chain of command, with enough key buzzwords (like "dig", and "treasure" and "indian bones" and so on) And then hand them a search and salvage agreement to sign. Eventually you will be told "no". So the mere fact that no one cared (not even cops) simply means you didn't ask enough questions.
 
Tom_in_CA said:
"............ the Police that rode thru waved at me and drove by ................ I later found out it was State owned (I thought it was County) and continue to MD there today. "

Some people would infer that since the police didn't care, that it "must be ok". Afterall, "certainly they would have said something if I was doing something amiss", right? However, the in-action of the police, simply means you didn't ask enough police, or bureaucrats "can I?" If you continue to ask far enough up the chain of command, with enough key buzzwords (like "dig", and "treasure" and "indian bones" and so on) And then hand them a search and salvage agreement to sign. Eventually you will be told "no". So the mere fact that no one cared (not even cops) simply means you didn't ask enough questions.

Tom,

I don't ask anyone in authority, only ask other MD guys and people I know who live around the area.

Also I check out local laws as one of my determining factors as to whether to MD there looking for laws that specifically mention MD'g.

If the cops don't bother me I'm MD'g "legal" or not.

I realize technically it is "illegal" to MD anywhere other then private property with owners permission. (Defacing government {public?} property..you know)

This of course is all BS in the over regulated nanny State system we live under these days. With over 80,000 pages of laws out there they are going to get you with one!

But I'm getting off topic, what I am looking for is some local Denver folks to chime in and tell what to watch out for and where to hunt with the least amount of trouble in that area.

Good Hunting
Denny
 
Always carry a bag of trash like old crushed cans etc. When I have anyone confront me I show them all the junk
I have dug out ( I just don't tell them it's out from THIS area) and they change their tune....usually. Most of
the time it works.
 
Salida, that is a good one.

I do pull out and show the junk I've picked up at the site , but I never thought of bringing old junk with me to show!

I will try that.

Also other then clad I show no good stuff.

Thanks,
Denny
 
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