What sort of results are those folks with the F70, F5 getting out of pinpointing with the standard coil?

[Mick in Dubbo]

What I am really asking, is, when you pinpoint a target, can you figure out what it is by listening to how the pinpoint fades? The reason I'm asking, is that this is a real stand out feature of the Garrett Ace and with these detectors armed with a elliptical concentric coil, I was wondering if similar results were coming up? Do you also find that pinpointing shallower targets become real easy by using the tip of the inner coil?
Thanks.
Mick Evans.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

And many are able to pick up audio variances while other say everything sounds the same, Gee never tried pinpointing the F70 from the tip of the coil as in reallity the standard method of pinpointing is easily one of the best I have used over the years with various units so why fix what ain't broke.

 

[Streak!]

I DO think you can glean valuable information about the target in PP. For instance........footprints are very telling when it come to IDing targets...as well as how the sound "ramps up" when approaching and going away from a target in PP. Iron will ramp up much different than a small round non ferrous target.
I find the the F5 pinpoints SPOT ON using the toe...in disc..................just by swinging back and fourth....and slowly pulling the coil back towards you. When you reach the point where the target response drops off fast..its (the target) right in the little Vee at the tip of the coil. (about one and a half inches back from the tip of the coil).
While everyone may have different hearing (mines REALLY bad).......if one pays attention to how any particular target responds.....a pattern WILL develop.................and in time your brian will train itself...and the decision to dig or not to dig will be pretty much automatic. The kicker is you literally have to dig every target for some time too actually SEE what it was in the ground that made that specific response. If you DONT dig it............its all conjecture!!!!!! It kinda like the guy that SWEARS he gets every target....despite that fact he uses a machine thats really bad on masking. If you dont HEAR it........how the heck do you know it was even there??? Streak!

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Hi Dan.
It's more about gaining target information than trying to be more accurate. I find with the Ace, As you slide the front toe off the target, by listening to how fast the signal drops off, will tell you how big the target is. I assume that the same would apply to the F5 and F70 given that they are armed with the same sort of coil. You need to be at least 2+ inches away from the target to make it work like this, but on the extremes, a coin should drop off fairly quickly, while a coke can will just keep trying to hang on to the signal. Screw caps can be discernible from coins as well, as they tend to want to hang on to the signal, while a coin will let go faster.
It will be interesting to see how folks go with these units, and whether that sort of info is attainable from them I presume that it would be. I'm just not familiar with Fisher detectors.
Mick Evans.

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Thanks for the input Streak.
The ramping up would be interesting to observe.
I watched a couple of the U-tube clips that Bill Ladd had posted, but I couldn't get a clear idea as to how the pinpoint audio drops off. The only time I saw it used, he was pinpointing a shoe buckle.
You indicated that it pinpoints accurately in Disc mode. Is it less precise in pinpoint mode? Is it a very wide signal? I can only assume that do to the coil's shape, it should be a killer for accuracy.
Also; do either of these units have a volume control?
Thanks.
Mick Evans.