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What small coil for my XL Pro????
- Thread starter robo
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This is a coil I have used quite a bit in trashy areas, etc.. I know that they are not currently available at Jimmy Sierra's web site, but you maybe able to find a used one. Good luck finding one. MERRY CHRISTMAS
ELIMINATOR LOOP
Another special purpose Applied Creativity loop, designed to eliminate signal interference from 60 cycle transformers, high tension wires, radio frequency and other metal detectors. Because of its size, this six inch loop works great in high trash areas and easily matches the depth of 8 inch plus loops. In fact, in harsh environments it gets much greater depth than your standard loop because it has the ability to operate at a higher sensitivity level with less interference. It doesn't lose coins on edge and pin-pointing is a breeze. It's very sensitive to tiny targets and its ability to handle bad ground mineralization makes it a good prospecting loop. When used in the "all metal mode" this loop does not detect from the top of the coil, thus it can be used under metal fences and playground equipment. When you see it, don't be alarmed by the thickness. That's what makes it work! It is designed for use on White's Pro's, Eagles, Quantums & Spectrums.
Eliminator Loop Item # JS-E6 $159.95
Currently Unavailable
ELIMINATOR LOOP
Another special purpose Applied Creativity loop, designed to eliminate signal interference from 60 cycle transformers, high tension wires, radio frequency and other metal detectors. Because of its size, this six inch loop works great in high trash areas and easily matches the depth of 8 inch plus loops. In fact, in harsh environments it gets much greater depth than your standard loop because it has the ability to operate at a higher sensitivity level with less interference. It doesn't lose coins on edge and pin-pointing is a breeze. It's very sensitive to tiny targets and its ability to handle bad ground mineralization makes it a good prospecting loop. When used in the "all metal mode" this loop does not detect from the top of the coil, thus it can be used under metal fences and playground equipment. When you see it, don't be alarmed by the thickness. That's what makes it work! It is designed for use on White's Pro's, Eagles, Quantums & Spectrums.
Eliminator Loop Item # JS-E6 $159.95
Currently Unavailable
I agree with Monte's opinions on the 6.59kHz White's. But don't overlook using a 350 Snooper coil in the TR mode. It is a lethal combination in areas with minimal mineralization. Although the depth of detection in the TR mode is less than in GEB modes, the "non-motion" TR mode is an excellent way to separate targets. I think most would agree that there are many sites where target separation is more important than depth of detection. JMHO HH Randy
[size=medium]that found on the 5900/6000 Di Pro and newer 6000 Pro XL/XL Pro models doesn't work quite as well as the straight TR, or some early TR-Disc. models that operated at 100 kHz. When trying to perform in the VLF range (at 6.59 kHz), they tend to be much more sensitive or responsive to the coil/ground relationship.[/size]
I have always referred to TR-Disc. as being "true, progressive discrimination." That is, as you increase the Discriminate level from a point where you're just ignoring ground minerals, you will progressively reject unwanted trash based upon its conductive properties. Thus, you will reject a common iron nail, then a bottle cap (the older, crown cap style, and then small foil, etc., etc. Modern motion-based discriminators have a difficult time with some iron-based or magnetic trash, especially the bottle cap.
TR-Disc. doesn't require constant motion like GEB-Disc. Therefore, it is handy to use in some tight conditions where you're not able to move the search coil sufficiently.
In some beach hunting (salt water) applications I can get better performance if I use the enhanced low-end adjustment range of the TR-Disc. mode on these models to 'balance' or 'cancel' the ground signal.
When working a site with relatively level ground, and where iron nails are the primary annoyance, I will often employ the TR-Disc. mode which allows me to use a very slow sweep and just barely, and quite cleanly, reject the problem iron nail junk. Rough, uneven ground is a challenge when working with a TR or TR-Disc. model, especially if is rather mineralized, and it gets worse the more you increase the discrimination (shift farther away groun a point where you just reject the ground).[/size]
Honestly, I like the 'feel' and looks of the newer style 950, but for me it's just not as comfortable as a thin-profile 8" coil. The 8" will get me all the performance of the 950, and to be honest with you, I like the 8" for general open-area searches. When working most trashy sites, or those with brush or rubble, I either go to a dedicated slow-motion detector, or I opt for a smaller coil on an XL Pro. My favorite 'go-to' coil is one of the 6
[size=medium]Many hobbyists, especially those newer to the hobby, have never experienced the challenges of hunting in a TR-Disc. mode. They increase as the ground mineralization gets worse, and since they are not compensating for the ground when set to reject unwanted trash, hey are much 'squirrellier' to operate. Thus, most users will just stick to the GEB-Disc. motion mode for ease or operation. Even many (most really) knowledgeable detectorists with a lot of time under their belt and experience with those earlier type models, just don't care to use TR-Disc. because the GEB-Disc. works so well in the majority of sites they will hunt.[/size]Bowie said:
[size=medium]Well, there really isn't that much to talk about, other than to explain the basic differences between a 'conventional' TR-Disc. mode and motion-based GEB-Disc.Bowie said:
I have always referred to TR-Disc. as being "true, progressive discrimination." That is, as you increase the Discriminate level from a point where you're just ignoring ground minerals, you will progressively reject unwanted trash based upon its conductive properties. Thus, you will reject a common iron nail, then a bottle cap (the older, crown cap style, and then small foil, etc., etc. Modern motion-based discriminators have a difficult time with some iron-based or magnetic trash, especially the bottle cap.
TR-Disc. doesn't require constant motion like GEB-Disc. Therefore, it is handy to use in some tight conditions where you're not able to move the search coil sufficiently.
In some beach hunting (salt water) applications I can get better performance if I use the enhanced low-end adjustment range of the TR-Disc. mode on these models to 'balance' or 'cancel' the ground signal.
When working a site with relatively level ground, and where iron nails are the primary annoyance, I will often employ the TR-Disc. mode which allows me to use a very slow sweep and just barely, and quite cleanly, reject the problem iron nail junk. Rough, uneven ground is a challenge when working with a TR or TR-Disc. model, especially if is rather mineralized, and it gets worse the more you increase the discrimination (shift farther away groun a point where you just reject the ground).[/size]
[size=medium]The 950 coil, especially the newer body style which adds a nice visual touch, makes a great pop cup holder. When affixed to some plastic 'legs' it sort of resembles a spacecraft and a 32 oz. or 44 oz. beverage cup is held nicely. it lakes a great attention getter while being functional on a desk or table. Heck, I can even run the coil cable toward the back of my computer or towards a wall outlet and tell folks that it can keep my beverage chilled or heated.Bowie said:
Honestly, I like the 'feel' and looks of the newer style 950, but for me it's just not as comfortable as a thin-profile 8" coil. The 8" will get me all the performance of the 950, and to be honest with you, I like the 8" for general open-area searches. When working most trashy sites, or those with brush or rubble, I either go to a dedicated slow-motion detector, or I opt for a smaller coil on an XL Pro. My favorite 'go-to' coil is one of the 6
to explain the TR Disc and the modern motion Disc. I may have experienced it years back hunting with my Dad but you are correct about us late comers to the hobby, I guess we are the spoiled generation.
As you were explaining the progressive TR Disc, you stated the modern motion Disc had problems with some iron and magnetic targets, Is this the falsing we/I encounter? Does the TR Disc have falsing issues??
When you spoke of using TR Disc on level ground,it made me think when I hunted with my Dad years back. I dont recall what detector model, but it was a Whites, I had to sweep the ground with the coil just hovering above the ground, he told me I couldnt let it touch the ground, it was hard at first,lol. I still catch myself doing that but not much.
I have the 8 inch Precision Scan, but I have been using the 9.5 for open areas,maybe I should use the 8 inch more. I can swing the 9.5 all day,with a few breaks,lol.
I have to admit I became very interested when I read Diggers response and yours as I have several lots in the oldest part of town I can hunt. But they are very very nasty with junk targets, Ive tried a couple times with my M6 and a 5.3 coil but become frustrated because I have a hard time working signals.
Well,Ive wrote this and rewrote it several times, I hope you can make something of it. Wife is wanting to go out for supper,Saturday night.
Thank you again,
John
As you were explaining the progressive TR Disc, you stated the modern motion Disc had problems with some iron and magnetic targets, Is this the falsing we/I encounter? Does the TR Disc have falsing issues??
When you spoke of using TR Disc on level ground,it made me think when I hunted with my Dad years back. I dont recall what detector model, but it was a Whites, I had to sweep the ground with the coil just hovering above the ground, he told me I couldnt let it touch the ground, it was hard at first,lol. I still catch myself doing that but not much.
I have the 8 inch Precision Scan, but I have been using the 9.5 for open areas,maybe I should use the 8 inch more. I can swing the 9.5 all day,with a few breaks,lol.
I have to admit I became very interested when I read Diggers response and yours as I have several lots in the oldest part of town I can hunt. But they are very very nasty with junk targets, Ive tried a couple times with my M6 and a 5.3 coil but become frustrated because I have a hard time working signals.
Well,Ive wrote this and rewrote it several times, I hope you can make something of it. Wife is wanting to go out for supper,Saturday night.
Thank you again,
John
[size=medium]Our anniversary was last Wednesday but we couldn't get an extra day off to head to the coast for a 3-day getaway until we had very stormy weather. My wife took her laptop, but I was too occupied with the casino and just relaxing by the fire and watching the snow hit the ground in a howling wind.[/size]
If hunting a well manicured grassy yard, park or school lawn, it was often easy to just cruise the search coil along on top of the mowed lawn. When hunting bare ground, especially if rough and uneven, or brushy environments, it called for more attentive coil-control, to be sure. With the coming of ground cancelling detectors some 34
[size=medium]The fact that our modern motion-based discriminators are not a "true progressive" type does cause some iron/.magnetic based targets to 'false' and not be cleanly rejected (such as the old-style crimp-on bottle caps), A true TR-Disc. model doesn't have this type of target falsing. But TR and TR-Disc. models had other response issues as I'll note later.[/size]Bowie said:
[size=medium]Here is where operating a conventional TR or TR-Disc. model can be a challenge, especially as the ground mineral conditions increase! A conventional TR detector, or a TR-Disc. model being operated with enough rejection (discrimination) to deal with iron nails and bottle caps, must be operated with the search coil maintaining a very consistent coil-to-ground relationship.Bowie said:
If hunting a well manicured grassy yard, park or school lawn, it was often easy to just cruise the search coil along on top of the mowed lawn. When hunting bare ground, especially if rough and uneven, or brushy environments, it called for more attentive coil-control, to be sure. With the coming of ground cancelling detectors some 34
Sorry you had bad weather. Its raining and cold down here in the south,today. Just threw a couple more logs on my fireplace.
Yes, although I do have the 5.3 for my M6, Ive been thinking about the 5 inch Excelerator coil. And thanks for reminding me to sweep slow.
I think being able to hunt a place as nasty as this is a testimony to guys such as yourself that have developed the patience. I havent found anything worth talking about in one of these spots, however my patience wears thin, but Im getting better. Its very difficult for me at this stage of the game, but believe me, Im a stayer and will keep at it. Im also learning. Ive developed confidence in my XL Pro, I just dont have that confidence with the M6. Maybe I just need different coils for it.
Hope the weather fairs off for you and wish you a Merry Christmas,
John
Yes, although I do have the 5.3 for my M6, Ive been thinking about the 5 inch Excelerator coil. And thanks for reminding me to sweep slow.
I think being able to hunt a place as nasty as this is a testimony to guys such as yourself that have developed the patience. I havent found anything worth talking about in one of these spots, however my patience wears thin, but Im getting better. Its very difficult for me at this stage of the game, but believe me, Im a stayer and will keep at it. Im also learning. Ive developed confidence in my XL Pro, I just dont have that confidence with the M6. Maybe I just need different coils for it.
Hope the weather fairs off for you and wish you a Merry Christmas,
John
[size=medium]I am torn between the 5" and 6" DD Excelerator coils. I had such great results using the 5" that it was tough to accept that the newer 6" DD EQ2 coil would work so well. It does! Again, slow sweep and patience are of importance in any littered site, but a decent coil is also a must. Shoot me an E-mail and let's talk about the 6" DD coil. MonteVB@comcast.net
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