what is up with all the high toning in iron?need experts

[calabash digger]

I was running in combined ,fast, sens auto + 3, target trace on and off,relic mode, ferrous coin, noise cancel done few times, 6 inch coil,open screen on one and switched to screen with right hand lower corner knocked out. We werte digging pits today in heavy iron and I was using the 6 inch coil to look for targets as we went down and I kept getting all this high toning on iron is that normal> it was nails old ones. I spent more time chasing false signals than I wanted to. Whats up with that ? Is that how the 30/30 acts in heavy iron?

 

[Porschephile]

Far from expert, but I will take a shot... Iron haloing can give high tone but usually just one or at most 2 ways. If you turn 90 degrees and run coil over target it will almost never maintain a high tone if its iron. Less reliable is the look at ferrous number on screen. Iron will usually be higher than 13. Hope that helps!

 

[calabash digger]

the problem with that is im in HEAVY iron you could have a silver coin laying there and if you turn on it it will disappear MANY good targets only hit one way .Thanks for the advice and sube told me a way too but im probaly just gonna sell it. Im not a screen type of guy really just want a beep and dig type deal to tell me if its a nail or not in a fast way dont really care to analzye targets that much. Take a silver dime and put 3 nails around it and when you hit it stop and turn 90 degrees and see what happens. thanks again for the advice hh

 

[utahshovelhead]

Im assuming the following; you are digging in iron and can hear alot of grunts then a good high pitch, but does the high pitch also come with a good curser? also does the target id show a small dot or a large smear one?

Assuming a few things I will say this; you are digging pits and detecting at depth intervals, Dont waste time inspecting each target or high pitch in the hole, dig it out and detect for simple good signals that repeat, show good or close ID with good curser this do every so many inches. I dont detect the hole im digging I detect the soil out of the hole. Yes some of the iron will give a good pitch but not all the other indications are good and solid usually. If you have hit good targets you can usually tell when they are down there as they are more consistent and sound right as well as look right where the iron false is not consistent in show and size and is hard to pinpoint...with no zip zip in pinpoint. IF and when I detect in the hole it is because Im about done digging and want to check for any additional places to dig, sideways, deeper ect, Your using the 6 inch coil so you should also be able to nicely pinpoint and tell if its a small object or large one or even get a feel of its a diggable target by how far its reaction is from your coil...you know like a can that is sounding 5 inches away but digs at over a foot. But in this case pit digging Id say dig the hole and detect the dig pile as you go. In the hole you can use a pin pointer if you feel like you want to carefully dig out the finds.

ANy way hope all that helps.

shov.

 

[Bell-Two]

I am primarily a field Hunter and of course deal with a lot of heavy iron infestation. I dig very few nails and typically when I do they are in with a high conductivity target. The CTX is to my thinking a tone machine to me iron falsing almost "always" has a different tone than a true high conduct target. There seems to be a shift in tone and a tone I can only describe as a "screechy" edge to it. Now do I dig some of those type of tones, sure because by narrowing my swing I get a very nice short tone. Am I always correct....lol! no and anyone says they are is deluded. So many times though I dig such a target and after pulling several nails out of the hole I say to myself "No way did those nails give me that tone" and I have been right. My last hunt I got a signal that had several tones including what I knew or at least believed to be iron falsing but when I narrowed my swing I would get a nice tone which I had assigned to my "nickel" type targets and glancing at the target ID I would get a 12-15 ID which is within a range for a nickel....the result a Shield Nickel. Now can someone pick up a CTX and use it for a month or two replicate this experience....an experienced detectorist might.....but it would be difficult. I have 5 years with the E-Trac and now 3 with the CTX so I do have some knowledge only that much time can impart. Now please understand I claim no special expertise just enough experience to have learned a thing or two.

 

[calabash digger]

thanks all of you for the tips. I know those little nuances come with time and experience with a machine I have that with my deus but for the life of me I cant hear the difference with the ctx,ive tested it on targets and the test garden targets with iron and in the field I just cant get the iron falsing signals. Im just frustrated with it ,I might feel better tommorrow about it lol The six inch coil seperates good if I could get by the falsing.

 

[pghmole]

One of the best ways to deal with iron is to have a high quality headphones like the black widows with the OLD speaker type,they recently changed the speakers to a type that sounds just like the cheap useless koss headphones that come with the ctx but detector pro will change them for 20 dollars extra if you buy them direct from Detector pro,I highly recommend getting a pair and have listened to many many other brands and none of them even come close IMHO. That will definitely help with the iron false issue as the sound is very different and no way as clean,clear and tight as a good target,it's a night and day difference !I have been using the ctx from day one and have well over 1000 silvers with it,and believe me the iron sucks around here but it's why we have so much silver left to find here..im from Pittsburgh

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

If the nail is pointed in the same direction of the center web you can detect a coin under it. If you hit it from 90 degrees only a null. The CTX has some ability to show there is something there besides the nail from this angle, but not an audio response. Sube and others have explored this in depth. The earlier models of Explorers don't have this ability. I have a Fisher F-75 and it behaves the same. I'm not sure if there is any detector out there that can do otherwise.

 

[calabash digger]

thanks for the info I saw one of his videos where he was talking about it . your right about the null ALL detectors ive tried it with null on the turn. I was hunting in thick iron nails and just kept getting high tones that sounded good and I got bent out of shape about it lol

 

[amberjack]

yeah that old saying sounds like crap probably is comes to mind with a CTX.

not always but enough times that after awhile it starts to form a pattern on the psyche.

AJ