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What is the better accessory choice?

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I use an MXT, usually with the 6x10 DD. I have a mini-DD, and the 5.3.
I have been thinking about getting a SunRay probe lately. I have a Bullseye that is serviceable, although well-used.
All these glowing accounts of the Excellerator coils have me wondering if I am missing the boat. I already have all the coils Whites makes for this detector, and have been asking myself if buying this coil is justifiable.
The same goes with the SunRay probe. I sometimes struggle finding coins, even using the Bullseye. Some of them, right at the surface, get matted in the grass, and are tough to find.
So, if you were me, hunted primarially in parks and schools for clad and the occasional junk ring, in sandy soil in the 70s & 80s, which way would you go? Get the coil, the probe, or stand pat?
 
I have a bullseye pointer. It gives a 1" range on coins and the sensitivity is in the tip area (tip proper and the area right above it). Sometimes I feel that a pointer with a greater range would be more useful. Then again, if I had a pointer with say 3" all around the tip area, would it help me pin point the coin more quickly? I think not. Unless the pointer was able to guide me to the target, in which direction does the coin lie?
 
If it was my choice the Sunray probe would be my first choice as I have been using them on my Minelabs for years. I have one on my wife MXT now and now she can find the targets fast and back detecting for the next target before she used to spend some time not knowing to go deeper or to the side of the hole.
She had the Bulleaye before and it is no comparison as the Sunray has depth and it runs the curcuity of the MXT so it is just like a 1 inch coil on your detector.
I think unless you have some clean area to detect where you need a bigger coil the coils you have will do a excellent job.
Rick
 
I'm in a similar state- trying to decide if I should get the Uniprobe hand held or try to trade-up from the Ultimate Gray Ghosts to the Uniprobe headphones with probe or go with the SunRay Dx-1. My problem is that I really like the clipper circuit on the Ultimates and can't get it with their Uniprobe- that would be a great combo, not sure why they can't make it. The Bullseye has served me well, but....
HH-Gary
 
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;"><STRONG>DETECTORS:</STRONG></span> Accessories, to me, include metal detectors themselves. There is absolutely NO perfect detector, or coil, or pinpointer, or ????
I state this because all too often I have seen people overload on a wide array of search coils in an effort to make one detector the absolute master for every application. The fact is, you just are not going to achieve that goal.
Sure, you might have all sorts of coils that help a particualr detector model do a little better in one environment of challenges than another coil would, but that doesn't make it the best detector (or detector & coil combo) for the particual task at hand.
If the MXT is your one and only detector, perhaps you ought to evaluate what the many different assignments you might have for it are and ask yourself if, perhaps, there isn't a better make or model to handle some of that duty? In the 60's and half-way thru the 70's I was a 1-detector user, like most others were, but as detectors started being refined more I realized that it would always be better to have at least two models in a detector battery. To be quite honest, you might want to have three or more, depending upon the types of detecting you do and the site conditions you might frequently encounter.
For example, I used to do some nugget hunting but I only got into good gold nugget country once or twice a year so when I had a more nugget-specific model, it was seldom used. This is an excellent example why I like the MXT. Not only is it a terrific "multi-purpose" model, it is a darn good nugget shooter for those times when I have need for one. This lets me keep my personal detector battery trimmed by one unit.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;"><STRONG>SEARCH COILS:</STRONG></span> Of course, for any detector to do what is expected of it, it is important to have a good detector and coil match-up. Since you have all of the four coils White's makes for the MXT, then you should have a good idea of which ones work for you the best, as well as which ones don't. Maybe there is something still lacking and for that you might consider an accessory search coil.
With my first MXT I got it with the Mini Double-D and felt it was a good coil. But later I acquired a 5.3 Eclipse and found that it was the best general purpose coil for <EM><STRONG>me</EM></STRONG> with the MXT and I got better performance with it than I did with the smaller Elliptical D-D coil. I seldom used the 950 once I got the 5.3 Eclipse.
I sold that unit but later replaced it after experimenting with a couple of other models. That time I just got the MXT w/950 & 5.3, but also wanted to give the bigger DD Eclipse a try. In my ground and for what my hunting needs are, I ended up still preferring the 5.3 for general use and the 950 for 'back-up' duty. The bigger Double-D just didn't seem to provide the depth I was getting with the 5.3 or the 950.
By late last year I was back to wanting to get a little better target separation in some trashier conditions and again got a smaller Mini Double-D. I also wanted to try the Excelerator 5" coil because I have a personal preference for round coils.
The vast majority of my hunting is in trashier conditions and I do a lot of 'bushwhacking' and hunting around rocks and building rubble, so a smaller coil can work in and around obstacles better. The 5.3 Eclipse is actually 6
 
The best small coil Ive ever used to date is the 4X6 whites.Its got a super tight "window" and I hit coins with it 6" down no problem, a good signal and good ID. Since youve used both, in your ground, what kind of depth difference and window difference. Window being the detection pattern it puts down. The 4x6 is really tight, at least the one I have is, I can walk it slow right next to a chain link fence and get coins...hopefully some rings this summer. People love to store their stuff next to these fences.
Thanks,
Neil
 
Hey Monte, you referred numerous times to a health problem with the added weight on your detectors.
I am nobody special, but I would recommend, that you try a SWINGY THINGY HARNESS from Doc's, he is located on the Findmall Minelab Forums. It will cost you $29.95 + $5.00 s/h, and it is well worth the investment. Also, you can use it on ANY METAL DETECTOR in Your Battery (including the Explorer without any additional fittings or attachments). I know $35.00 is alot of money to spend on a harness, but I positive YOU WON'T REGRET THE INVESTMENT. HH/LOL. NamVetLesTreasureSeeker
 
Hey Gary, you could look into the Pocket Uniprobe
Pinpointer, that way you could keep you Gray Ghost
Ultimates. But, the Pocket Uniprobe is alittle PRICEY! But, several owners RAVE ABOUT THEM, on the different Findmall Forums! HH/LOL.
NamVetLesTreasureSeeker
P.S. I personally have the SunRay DX-1, and I LOVE IT! But, the Pocket Uniprobe would be usable with any detector in your Detector Arsenal.
 
When you search along a chain link fence what orientation of the search coil do you find works the best?
By that I mean, to you face the fence and swing parallel to the fence or do you walk along the fence and swing back and forth, perpendicular, to the fence?
 
sites I hunt close to metal, such as fences and old parks and schools with the old metal sprinkler pipes.
I have had two of the 3x6 'Shooter' coils and they do have great separation for close-by targets. What I found was that the 5" Excelerator coil had separation that was every bit as good, if not better, and on the MXT I <EM>had</EM> as well as the MXT I recently got, and with the 5" I evaluated last fall and the new 5" Excelerator I just got last month when I ordered my MXT from Kellyco, performance has been better (<EM><STRONG>for me</STRONG></EM>) than I got with the small elliptical coils.
Most of the sites I hunt around here have ground phase readings on an MXT from +73 to +81 or +82. On the out-of-state jaunt we made the end of May two sites had nothing less than +77 and most often it was +79 to +82.
Since you can reduce the MXT's gain quickly with the external knob it's easy to tailor the setting to use a coil closer to a fence. However, I usually hunt at +3 and only reduce it if I am very close to a fence or pipe, etc.
The 5" Excelerator is what I use the most since I hunt in dense trash and a lot of brushy sites. The stock 950 is fine for some other sites, and if there aren't a lot of targets the 12
 
ALWAYS try using a smaller coil, and ALWAYS try to work <EM><STRONG>with</EM></STRONG> the metal and never sweep towards-and-away from the metal. This will eliminate a lot of false response from the metal and masking issues caused by the overriding larger metal object.
I like to use a smaller coil quite often and, if I need to, reduce the gain just to the point where I retain stability. If it is a round pipe such as a playground structure or a parking meter, or maybe a metal valve or meter cover, placing the coil as close as possible and then working it <EM><STRONG>s-l-o-w-l-y</EM></STRONG> and keeping it a uniform distance from the large metal object you will get the best performance.
Work the coil around the metal at a uniform distance, then move it back an inch or two and slowly work around the metal object. Eventually you will be a good foot or more away and then you can start to use a more normal sweep.
When hunting old schools or parks with buried metal sprinkler pipe I locate the sprinkler heads and mark them. I then use an all metal mode to trace the route of the underground sprinkler line and mark it.
Most people through the years simply hunt in a side-to-side pattern while randomly walking through a site and they either ignore the pipe and stay several feet away, or they just use too much discrimination and miss a lot of coins due to masking from the larger sprinkler pipe.
Once I have marked off the pipe I start at one sprinkler head, hunting close and working all around the sprinkler head, then I position the coil directly over the buried sprinkler line and work the coil <EM>with</EM> the pipe, side-stepping as I cautiously sweep the coil left and right over the pipe. When I reach the next sprinkler head I work back the other way, moving the coil back slightly so as to overlap about 66% of the coil. I keep it parallel with the lay of the pipe and hunt back towards where I started. After I have gone back and forth, working over and parallel to the pipe until I am 12"-18" away, I do it all over again but on the other side of the line I just worked.
Once I have completed that length of pipe I go to the next section from sprinkler head to sprinkler head. I use the same side-stepping method to work <EM>with</EM> metal fences until I have worked the area back about a foot from the fence.
<EM><STRONG>Monte
Hint:</STRONG> Sometimes, when I find a nice, well watered and easy-to-dig lawn, I will intentionally look for such an old park or school site and spend a day just working the sprinkler pipe line and recovering all the coins and targets that have been masked to the others with a more casual hunting attitude. I will buy a couple of boxes of croutons or 'stuffing mix' during the Thanksgiving season on sale and use this to lay down and mark the route of the sprinkler lines. Birds and squirrels love me for it and clean up the 'evidence' after I am done and gone!
 
I dont swing the coil at all. I face the fence, then bring the coil up close to it almost touching it. It will sound off initially, but then get quiet again. I then hold it with the point of the coil facing the fence and walk it slowly down the fence. It will sound off again only when you come to the posts, there you really have to creep along and cant get as close. Swinging the coil in any way near the fence usually sets mine off. I can keep my sens up to plus one or two this way and there are usually loads of coins along the fences. Same thing applies to playground areas near slides and also in front of and behind benches. Behind benches are another good spot.
HH
Neil
 
Hi Monte.
The excellerator coil sounds like a great coil from your usage. Our freshwater beaches usually are between 55 and 65 on the ground reading. Parks Ive hunted around here go even a little lower from the 40s to 50s. The beaches are top fill white sand with a yellow orange sand underneath as a base so maybe the detector is reading that stuff? I always thought the white sand was low mineralization?
It seems those excellerators are real popular, but Ill stick with the 4x6, works great here for me.
Thanks for the info,
Neil
 
Thanks Monte!
I have noticed a couple of the techniques you mention but you have it down to a science. I really appreciate your thoroughness and attention to detail.
By swinging parallel to the pipe and adjusting the gain as necessary, I have found coins under playground equipment using the standard 9.5" coil. Sometimes the pipe would be about a foot away from the coil. Not so good around irregular playground equipment like the spinning platforms though. <img src="/metal/html/shrug.gif" border=0 width=37 height=15 alt=":shrug">
I will definitely have to start using my MiniDD coil more often and get to know it better.
Keep up the good work.
 
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