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What is it about the Los Banos machines?
- Thread starter Dug1898
- Start date
Some people feel their better....... Some people don't. In fact I see a marked improvement in Fisher Detectors from First Texas.
T2, F75, LTD, SE ........ G2's, Gold machines.......... Their all excellent detectors. I think a lot is power of persuasion. One person says their better, more agree
first thing you know.."It's a fact"... My experience showed some were deeper Say the CZ5 model made in Los Banos.... But the next machine CZ 5 made in Los Banos wasn't... Just depended on the match up of components....
-10 to +10 match up factor. Can they be tweaked?. Sure....but so can the new machines................ Los Banos was mostly 20th Century technology.. [size=large]First Texas is 21st Century technology..[/size]
T2, F75, LTD, SE ........ G2's, Gold machines.......... Their all excellent detectors. I think a lot is power of persuasion. One person says their better, more agree
first thing you know.."It's a fact"... My experience showed some were deeper Say the CZ5 model made in Los Banos.... But the next machine CZ 5 made in Los Banos wasn't... Just depended on the match up of components....
-10 to +10 match up factor. Can they be tweaked?. Sure....but so can the new machines................ Los Banos was mostly 20th Century technology.. [size=large]First Texas is 21st Century technology..[/size]
It comes down to consistency in calibration. Seems it is mostly the CZ-3D that get this attention because it was made before and after the change of ownership. Some feel that Los Banos detectors were calibrated to greater depths on a more consistent basis with less consistency at the new facility. This does not mean that all los banos are super deep or that all first texas get less depth. There is a set of settings that are used along with a dime and if the airtest results are somewhere around 10-11" then the machine is up to los banos performance. So view the los banos idea more as a benchmark concept rather than getting caught up in which location it was made in. If getting a newer machine try testing it if possible to check its depth. Variations can and do occur in electronics due to calibration as well as components match up as mentioned before. There can be subtle difference between two metal detectors produced at the same factory on the same day. My First Texas gold bug 2s and g2/gold bug pro have all performed well.
Also, this seems to apply more to the CZ lineup and less to the Gold Bug 2, though there is supposedly a way to supertune the early los banos Gold Bug 2 detectors, the ones with the metal arm cuffs.
John(TX), I have not heard of this issue relating newer machines like the G2.
Also, this seems to apply more to the CZ lineup and less to the Gold Bug 2, though there is supposedly a way to supertune the early los banos Gold Bug 2 detectors, the ones with the metal arm cuffs.
John(TX), I have not heard of this issue relating newer machines like the G2.
John
I never intended to imply the G2 could be tuned better.. I was talking about Cz3 units....
So PLEASE !! let's all let that G2 thought die right here... I should have clarified what I was talking about.. Cz3 UNITS !! LOL
and my statement "so can the new machines" was in refernce to the Cz3's made in Texas.... not made clear in my post..
The new G2's, are awesome just like they are, and were made to be at peak performance.With simplicity of operation if I remember Dave J post earlier on about G2's
I never intended to imply the G2 could be tuned better.. I was talking about Cz3 units....
So PLEASE !! let's all let that G2 thought die right here... I should have clarified what I was talking about.. Cz3 UNITS !! LOL
and my statement "so can the new machines" was in refernce to the Cz3's made in Texas.... not made clear in my post..
The new G2's, are awesome just like they are, and were made to be at peak performance.With simplicity of operation if I remember Dave J post earlier on about G2's
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Two things.
1) The CZ series were the top of the line machine for the Los Banos Fisher. The CZ had to compete against every other mfg's top of the line unit.
2) Minelab raised the performance bar when they introduced the Explorer series. Once that happened, Fisher built and tuned the CZ series to compete directly with them head to head. That competition required more attention to detail and resulted in better tuning. Their company's sucess depended on it. Each unit needed to be tuned "just right".
It is because of that "just right" tuning requirement that makes the older Los Banos units highly sought after.
HH
Mike
1) The CZ series were the top of the line machine for the Los Banos Fisher. The CZ had to compete against every other mfg's top of the line unit.
2) Minelab raised the performance bar when they introduced the Explorer series. Once that happened, Fisher built and tuned the CZ series to compete directly with them head to head. That competition required more attention to detail and resulted in better tuning. Their company's sucess depended on it. Each unit needed to be tuned "just right".
It is because of that "just right" tuning requirement that makes the older Los Banos units highly sought after.
HH
Mike
I own an early Los Banos CZ3D. I was told that by one of people who helped develop the CZ3D that early Los Banos units had a bettter grade of components.
The newer models (Texas) can be tweaked and the preformance of these units can be greatly enhanced but only so far and not to the extent that the early models can. The new models are not stable when tweaked to the extent that the older models can be.There is a common misconception with regards to depth. Everyone regards depth as the ultamate factor with regards to a given detector. The fact that you have "extreme depth" is useless without stability. In other words if your unit will detect 1 or 2 inches deeper but you lose the ability to properly i.d. your target or you have what appears to be falsing, or EMI, (but actually instability) then you cover less ground, dig more when you shouldn't and basicly waste a lot of vauable hunting time. As far as I know, the only way to get a better CZ3D is to buy one of the Los Banos units and have it tuned. I'm in no way saying the Texas CZ3D's are inferior, they are incredible units but the truth is that they are not as stable at slightly greater depth like the Los Banos units.
The newer models (Texas) can be tweaked and the preformance of these units can be greatly enhanced but only so far and not to the extent that the early models can. The new models are not stable when tweaked to the extent that the older models can be.There is a common misconception with regards to depth. Everyone regards depth as the ultamate factor with regards to a given detector. The fact that you have "extreme depth" is useless without stability. In other words if your unit will detect 1 or 2 inches deeper but you lose the ability to properly i.d. your target or you have what appears to be falsing, or EMI, (but actually instability) then you cover less ground, dig more when you shouldn't and basicly waste a lot of vauable hunting time. As far as I know, the only way to get a better CZ3D is to buy one of the Los Banos units and have it tuned. I'm in no way saying the Texas CZ3D's are inferior, they are incredible units but the truth is that they are not as stable at slightly greater depth like the Los Banos units.
Thanks guys. When I first made this post I was inquiring about Los Banos Gold Bugs and entered it on the Gold Bug/G2 thread...It got moved here. I didn't know a thing about the CZ detectors. That's Ok though, as I have learned about the Los Banos machines and why some people value them more than the newer units. So, can I assume that the same is true about the original Gold Bugs as it is with the CZ units?
Dug1898,
The los banos versus first texas would only apply to the Gold Bug 2 as it was in production before and after the transition. There were two versions of the los banos. The early ones with metal arm cuffs and the later ones with plastic arm cups. The early ones supposedly had the ability to be supertuned. My gold bug 2 is newer so I can't compare supertuning of the older gb2 versus newer. Prior to the transition, the los banos switched to the newer style plastic arm cuff version which do not seem to supertune. First texas continued with with this plastic cuff style. Is the older gb2 in supertune better than the newer versions? I don't know, but I do know that my newer gb2 is very sensitive to small gold and I am happy with it. This is actually my second newer version and both have been excellent.
The los banos versus first texas would only apply to the Gold Bug 2 as it was in production before and after the transition. There were two versions of the los banos. The early ones with metal arm cuffs and the later ones with plastic arm cups. The early ones supposedly had the ability to be supertuned. My gold bug 2 is newer so I can't compare supertuning of the older gb2 versus newer. Prior to the transition, the los banos switched to the newer style plastic arm cuff version which do not seem to supertune. First texas continued with with this plastic cuff style. Is the older gb2 in supertune better than the newer versions? I don't know, but I do know that my newer gb2 is very sensitive to small gold and I am happy with it. This is actually my second newer version and both have been excellent.