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What is happing to the Sov GT ?

deepdiger60

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On my PC i have 20 MD dealership,s World wide in my bookmarks what i have noticed on quit a few now U.S. and World wide when i click there Minelab tab,s i dont see the Sovereign GT anymore for sale all i see is E-Trac, SE Pro, Excal, and the GPX series basiclly , hhmm it,s useless to email Minelab and ask MUM is the word . I guess wait and see what happen,s in May and soforth. Jim :shrug:
 
It seems kinda obvious that a new Sovereign is on the way or the Sovereign line is being cancelled. If cancelled what will fill the void?

HH
Jason
 
With the price increase it probably doesn't make much sense for a lot of dealers to carry the GT, when people can get a Safari or SE Pro for close to the same price. People go for the flash, and frankly the plain jane look of a GT doesn't draw them in like a flashy computer screen.

I think they should at least continue to make the GT if they don't come out with a new Sovereign, because if they don't make a Sovereign anymore Minelab will only have models with computer screens...And there are simply a lot of people out there who prefer knobs and switches over scrolling thru computer menus. Look at Tesoro. Heck, look at even the MXT/M6 line that still feature dials for certain controls, despite having a computer screen. They know people prefer dials for certain things, and those machines are wildly popular in detecting circles. Probably two of the best selling detectors on the market these days.

The Sovereign's BBS technology is still light years ahead of the competition when it comes to depth, ability to handle the roughest of ground, discrimination, reliable target ID at depth, and the extensive array of tone alerts it has. It just doesn't get any deeper than this machine and it will match or beat the depth of any machine on the market (Minelab or not) so long as you are using a similar sized coil to the machine you are comparing it to.

I remember a blurb from somebody about a year or so ago saying that they had inside information that Fisher had aquired the rights to BBS technology and was making a machine that uses it. I don't know if that's true or not but can you imagine what Fisher could do with taking this technology even further? Not to mention the probably light weight hardware and features that they might give such a BBS based machine.

But, back to the subject...People are attracted "flash" these days. Which means fancy computer controls and mesmerizing computer screens and menus. Just because a machine has those features doesn't necessarily make it a better performing detector. More versatile in it's ability to tweak for one odd situation or another? Sure, but not necessarily deeper or with better ability to unmask targets (how sharp the coil's detection field is is where the real action is in unmasking ability).

Look at all these smart phones people are using. All I want my phone to do is ring when somebody calls. I'll use a computer when I want to do things online. People end up letting those smart phones rule their lives. They get lost in those things and don't even experience what is going around around them. The same thing can happen with metal detecting. Just look at the Whites forum on the DFX or V3 threads. People talk more about the settings they are tweaking on those machines than actual detecting.

But, sad but true, the majority of people out there go for the next shiny object in front of them. I just hope Minelab sees that there are still plenty of people who want raw power built around simple controls.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a new Sovereign with a computer screen and some very limited controls. Nothing fancy, just the ability to edit out specific VDI number ranges for specific situations (a more versatile notch, in other words). Being able to custom label each VDI # with potential target names it could be. Perhaps the ability to assign whatever high tone you want to what ever number ranges you want would be a good feature. Maybe a volume boost feature with a built in limiter so you didn't need to use headphones with a limiter built in.

Of course the ability to either run Iron Mask as it is now or zero it out to where no iron is discriminated...For those rare situations such as hunting fine gold jewlery or chains that might read down in the iron range. I'd like to see very limited computer controls much like my QXT Pro had. Whites had the right balance of computer controls on that machine with limited software that didn't slow the machine down with software lag.

The hard thing would be to decide what features to include in the computer controls, because as you can see I've already got a good list going above of features I'd like. Keeping it limited in functions so you don't lose yourself in tweaking would be the hardest part of designing a new detector.

Keep the dials and switches it has now, except for maybe the notch, where you could do that via the computer functions. Sensitivity, discrimination, volume, threshold, and so on should stay dials and switches as it is now.
 
One thing is for sure.
If they discontinue the Sovereign line or make a new version with the " flash" of the other machines. The current Sovereign GT will be very sought after which translates to a higher used price.

HH
Jason
 
Don't doubt that...Have you seen the prices the 6000 Pro XLs used are going for these days since Whites stopped making them? About the best analog detector on the market.
 
Also if Minelab does make any new improvments to the GT to keep it updated with todays demands it can only make it even a better machine then it is now !! some of the old timers that have been using the Sovereign serious 21 years wont agree but demand over rules them , i have the built in meter in mine and that alone is the best improvment i need, anything else added or removed like a few useless knobs and toggle switches and something like a built in meter with a on/off switch to keep everyone happen would be nice plus a little lighter overall with a good !! pair of wireless HP,s as far as a coil throw in a 13" Detech Pro , i was going to say water proof control box but that,s asking to much :super:. ,what you think ? $1399.00 Jim :detecting:
 
If they keep it permanently pole mounted then a built in meter with the whole setup being completely weather proof ( pouring rain hunting) would be great. Also a permanently pole mounted machine should have trigger pinpointing. I would want the knobs to stay and even the toggle switches ( encased in rubber). All they need is a square LCD ( heavy duty non scratching jewel type) in the center with VDI numbers based on a 180 scale or traditional ID scale would be an added benefit as well. There are so many ways a new Sovereign can go. Or it could be completely vanquished. I think it is possible it could be canned all-together. Minelab is not owned by Minelab anymore. Codan " the owners" are looking at sales and build cost. It must cost more than the profit they are making it for. Knobs and traditional analog components are sadly going the way of the Unicorn. It seems it is cheaper to but digital components than analog components by the bulk for these companies. Quite a reversal from the 80's and 90's.

What do you all think.

HH
Jason
 
With these new induction balance metal detectors that are going to be dropping on to the scene in a big way and by a few different manufacturers,Nokta Golden Sense Metal Detector & Blisstool to name two.These have incredible depth with the ability to block iron! I missed the demo's here in NJ on the beaches.But I had several reports on the Blisstool that just knocked the socks off any BBS/FBS VLF detectors. These are very inexpensive machines, and should be added to your arsenal of detectors. I ordered mine and it should be in this coming week! Now these are not the answer to all metal detecting and require very special handling but its just another tool to have to hunt with! A note here is if you can't hunt slow don't waste your money and if you complain about digging pull tabs don't waste your money. You might be digging pull tabs at 30 inches or it might be a ring? BCNJ
 
Basicly the Sovereign GT the way it is works great, but there is only a few actual changes I would like to see made and one is a meter built in to the control box that uses the 180 numbers. With the meter in the control box like the ones Joe Patrick make, but maybe bigger numbers and a back light that can be turned on or off. It can be pole or hipmounted/chest mounded like it is now and made a little lighter feeling. Come with both the 8 and 10 inch Tornado coils so you have the most popular coils to do most everythiing most people need. Larger or smaller coil are made by others if you need them. Like the iron mask like it is now as you can turn it on or off as needed and if you want to dig iron you can go to all metal like it is now. I do feel in disc you have BBS while in all metal it is like any VLF detector so you would have the all metal where you get iron if that is what you are looking for as in disc it has the iron mask where you can dig coins close to iron and tell the difference where you cann't with iron mask off or all metal as us that do mostly coin hunting can tell when a good targets is with iron with iron mask on. I don't use the silent search much and that switch maybe nice for some, but feel those that are serious like the threshold as it give them a lot of info.
Wireless like the Deus would be a nice addition too and a plug in battery charger to charge the battery without taking it out of the detector, but would have a circuit so it would go to a pulse trickle charge when battery is fully charged, this way a person could plug it back in after a hunt until they need to use it again and have a fully charged battery.
One more thing that should come with a Sovereign is a better book explaining how the Sovereign works and some good tips us users have found out works good. Also in the book on the front page saying to get the max out of a Sovereign you have to spend time using it to understand it, you can not learn it with it sitting in a closet while you are reading about how someone else uses their Sovereign, you can get tips to try, but using it in actual hunting conditions is where you do your real learning.
I just hope they do make a new model Sovereign and not phase it out as many of us feel the Sovereign is one of the best detector we have used.


Rick
 
Are these NEW detectors single freq? If they are then we know they arent going to compete with the Sov on the wet salt beach. I love my Exp SE on the beach....but i like the 1.5 kHz set as opposed to the secret of the RANDUM channel setting by the Exp/Etrac. I dont use the Sov, but do use the Xcal and if it ignores iron the same way so you dont have to listen to all the iron chatter .... then i say keep it. I checked MLs site.... http://www.minelab.com/usa/products/treasure-detectors i see the GT, did i miss something?

Dew
 
I've already been through the flashly curb feeler cadillac style detectors. Several are so good, they help you miss a lot of great targets. I've found out if you need numbers to dig by you are missing great finds. I'd always heard, but didn't believe it until I got the Excal II from Critter here. Then got a GT because the Excal was so good. It's all in the ears period if you ask me. I excelled with my ETrac when I just used my ears and that got the ball rolling for me once I had learned it's nuances. I guess I better go ahead and get another GT just in case.
 
dewcon4414 said:
Are these NEW detectors single freq? If they are then we know they arent going to compete with the Sov on the wet salt beach. I love my Exp SE on the beach....but i like the 1.5 kHz set as opposed to the secret of the RANDUM channel setting by the Exp/Etrac. I dont use the Sov, but do use the Xcal and if it ignores iron the same way so you dont have to listen to all the iron chatter .... then i say keep it. I checked MLs site.... http://www.minelab.com/usa/products/treasure-detectors i see the GT, did i miss something?

Dew
No you did not miss anything Minelab is not a dealer they are a manufacture of MD,s iam sure they still have a lot of GT,s in stock especially since the price increase and todays market i remember 3 years ago when i ordered mine it took 10 months to get one with the incredible back orders i guess they have a good inventory now .When i ask Minelab 3 times whats going on and i get no reply on a simple question ? there is something going around through the grape vine . :shrug: Jim
 
It's getting like a 2012 end of the world site on here what with all these predictions that never come true:surprised:
 
Yea, I'd like to see the new Sovereign come with at least an 11" Pro coil, but preferably a 12x10 SEF or that new 13" coil. The coil needs to be at least 11" but preferably 12 or maybe 13" to push the depth even further. When you talk about a sophisticated machine such as BBS technology the Sovereign is using it's still light years ahead of anything the competition from other manufacturers is using out there. 3 frequencies on the Whites is a wannabe solution at best, and requires a lot of ground tweaking and other parameters set up to get things as good as they should be for a site while the BBS technology automaticly handles these issues for you.

It's hard to push VLF (even multifrequency VLF that Minelabs use) much further because of the limits of physics and the traits of the fields they generate, so the easiest way to push the depths further is to use a larger coil. Why do you think the SE Pro and Etrac use an 11" coil? They could have easily just stock the old 10" coils on them because they already had the supplies and manufacturing equipment to make those. It's a big expense to have to use new manufacturing tools and supplies to come up with something new.

I believe there were two reasons to replace the old 10" FBS coils with the 11" Pro Coil. First being depth, of course, but second being improved separation abilities. The Pro Coil is excellent at separation, and I know there are MANY who would disagree with me but I believe the main reason why the Etrac and SE have improved unmasking abilities is due to the better/sharper detection field the Pro Coil is putting out than the old 10" coils. I've read of several old Explorer II users who said the Pro Coil or 12x10 made their machines seem like a brand new machine.

So yea, I hope if they do make a new Sovereign they'll contract with Detech to design the coil for it in the 11 to 13" range, or contract with them to put the 12x10 or new 13" coil on it.
 
I have been considering buying a Sovereign GT, I have a Safari I like very well, but I think the Sov might bring something new to the table. But I might wait to see what new is coming.
 
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