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What happened to the 12" deep quarter thread?
- Thread starter homebre
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kaolinwasher
Well-known member
ya i was wondering to because i tried that rick with my Eruo saber and got my 8" deep dime that up till now was impossible but i get it now with a repeatable signal . anyway his video is still on U tube maybe it had some advertising in it I can't remember . I finally got it after watching his video . great help to me I have heard all this talk but he showed it in such a simple way i just got it and it apples to my 5 pin machine as well .
Sven
Well-known member
Out of sight out of mind...........................
Similar tip that was once posted by Reg Sniff back in 2002
Posted by Reg on 4/15/2002, 7:01 pm , in reply to "Golden Sabre II/Pantera/Silver Sabre
II/Bandido II"
Hi Jbird,
I haven't seen the schematic on some of the detectors you mentioned so what I am
going to say may only apply to a few.
If you look at the SS schematic, you will basically see 2 channels that look about the
same. On some models of Tesoros, there are 3 channels. One for the all metal mode,
and 2 for the disc mode.
Two are shifted by the ground balance, the am mode is, and one channel in the disc
pair is. Thus, when you ground balance the detector, you do adjust the disc circuitry.
You might want to try this little experiment. First ground balance the detector and then
bury a typical coin such as a dime and see the maximum depth of detection.
Now, place the detector in the disc mode and adjust the ground balance control CCW
while bobbing the coil up and down just above the ground until the detector starts
howling at you as you raise and lower the coil. Then back the gb control back cw until
the noise quits. What you will probably experience is when you switch back to the am
mode, and lower the coil, the detector will go quiet as the coil approaches the ground.
With the detector adjusted this way, try your depth capabilities again. Some people
have experienced as much a couple inches more depth using this technique. In most
cases, it is more like an inch or so.
Another trick that has been around for a while is to crank up the threshold. This makes
the am mode unusuable, but will also add to the depth capabilities of the disc mode.
If you try these little tricks, let me know how they work out.
Reg
Similar tip that was once posted by Reg Sniff back in 2002
Posted by Reg on 4/15/2002, 7:01 pm , in reply to "Golden Sabre II/Pantera/Silver Sabre
II/Bandido II"
Hi Jbird,
I haven't seen the schematic on some of the detectors you mentioned so what I am
going to say may only apply to a few.
If you look at the SS schematic, you will basically see 2 channels that look about the
same. On some models of Tesoros, there are 3 channels. One for the all metal mode,
and 2 for the disc mode.
Two are shifted by the ground balance, the am mode is, and one channel in the disc
pair is. Thus, when you ground balance the detector, you do adjust the disc circuitry.
You might want to try this little experiment. First ground balance the detector and then
bury a typical coin such as a dime and see the maximum depth of detection.
Now, place the detector in the disc mode and adjust the ground balance control CCW
while bobbing the coil up and down just above the ground until the detector starts
howling at you as you raise and lower the coil. Then back the gb control back cw until
the noise quits. What you will probably experience is when you switch back to the am
mode, and lower the coil, the detector will go quiet as the coil approaches the ground.
With the detector adjusted this way, try your depth capabilities again. Some people
have experienced as much a couple inches more depth using this technique. In most
cases, it is more like an inch or so.
Another trick that has been around for a while is to crank up the threshold. This makes
the am mode unusuable, but will also add to the depth capabilities of the disc mode.
If you try these little tricks, let me know how they work out.
Reg
kaolinwasher
Well-known member
thanks sven , for the info
razerback408
Member
did you take it downElton said:
kaolinwasher
Well-known member
one thing about tuning the detector that way is make sure you pinpoint it good before you open up the hole because it will beep on the open hole.
proper functional tuning. That includes a proper Ground Balance setting for peak performance in the motion-based Discriminate mode. To achieve that with some makes and models, especially most Tesoro designs, I have been instructing folks on how to 'Power Balance' a detector in the Discriminate mode. I've been using 'Power Balance' techniques since about '79 to '81, and instructing the method in seminars since '81. When I started dealing in Tesoro's in mid-'83 with the introduction on the Inca, I made it a point to make sure all factory preset Discriminators were 'Power Balanced' for the worst ground in our area so consumers might have a little better in-the-field performance.
Most Tesoro models have a circuitry design that uses a more positive offset between the Threshold-based All Metal mode and the Discriminate mode's GB reference to that setting. Since most folks search in the silent-search Discriminate mode, that's the one we need to have more control over for maximum in-the-field results. This is the main reason I prefer to own and use a manually Ground Balanced Tesoro [size=small](or most other makes and models)[/size] because I have quick manual control and can easily GB in the Disc. mode.
I find some bad ground and tweak the internal GB setting of my Silver Sabre µMAX so that I, or anyone I loan it to, can enjoy better-than-average performance in the Discriminate mode. Note, however, as someone stated below in this thread, that adjusting for the best possible GB setting in the Discriminate mode will generally result in a negative GB in the All Metal mode. That's just something we have to understand and learn to live with to get the best result of either mode as needed.
Best of success when afield, regardless of what detector is in your hand.
Monte
Most Tesoro models have a circuitry design that uses a more positive offset between the Threshold-based All Metal mode and the Discriminate mode's GB reference to that setting. Since most folks search in the silent-search Discriminate mode, that's the one we need to have more control over for maximum in-the-field results. This is the main reason I prefer to own and use a manually Ground Balanced Tesoro [size=small](or most other makes and models)[/size] because I have quick manual control and can easily GB in the Disc. mode.
I find some bad ground and tweak the internal GB setting of my Silver Sabre µMAX so that I, or anyone I loan it to, can enjoy better-than-average performance in the Discriminate mode. Note, however, as someone stated below in this thread, that adjusting for the best possible GB setting in the Discriminate mode will generally result in a negative GB in the All Metal mode. That's just something we have to understand and learn to live with to get the best result of either mode as needed.
Best of success when afield, regardless of what detector is in your hand.
Monte