What a detector :thumbup:

[Larry (IL)]

It has been really hard for me to keep quiet about the Spectra Vision for the past 7 months but the time has finally arrived that I can share with you information about the most advanced metal detector on the market, or soon will be. I have been working with White's testing Beta units through different levels of development and every time a new unit with the latest upgrades were sent to me, my jaw has hit the floor. The technology White's has put into this is just awesome. BTW, I plan on being at the Texas Treasure show next weekend. I will be working with the White's crew helping out with the Q&A, It is supposed to be the biggest treasure hunters show in the country. Google Texas Treasure show for more info. I will try to answer as many questions as possible, but I can't man the forum all of the time, so please bear with me.

 

[lytle78]

Larry,

How about sharing some of your favorite things about the new V with us - some things which really set it apart from other top of the line machines based on your own experience?

 

[Larry (IL)]

Those are long and many, I will try with answering questions for now.................I could write a book, but I will leave that task up to someone else.

In a nutshell, I love that detector.

 

[Larry (IL)]

Some that come to mind are:

The programs that come with it are pretty well peaked for performance. Some changes for your ground and conditions may apply, but over all, a turn on and hunt detector. I have been using the Hi-Pro stock and VERY impressed.

The menus are very easy to use. Three levels for the most used adjustments right on the hunt screen. The next level is one menu click away and that should take care of most of every ones adjustments right there. Two menu clicks and you can chose to go to the expert controls where just about everything is adjustable on the Vision. All menus go to the same menu data base, just in different ways.

You can register the Vision in your name embedded right into the software and can not be changed unless a password is used that is issued to you only once. BE SURE TO WRITE IT DOWN somewhere that is not stored with the Vision. If your unit is ever sent in and the names don't match up, the registered owner will be contacted by White's to see if it have been stolen or what the problems is.

The active search screen has a live depth reading for all targets.

The 22.5 Khz channel is a killer on small gold......

Sensitivity has a ground probe indicator which gives you the Signal % that is returned from the ground as well as the EMI %. The Vision will also calculate the suggested RX gain for the noise and ground conditions. It doesn't not have an automatic gain adjustment, but I prefer to manually adjust the RX gain a couple of notches above what the Vision says is optimal.

Ground Balance is like the MXT. Trigger, Enter and a few bobs above the ground and it is ready to hunt. I can go on and on, but I'm tired....

 

[Jackpine Savage]

When working in iron infested ground is the suggested RX gain of any value or usefullness and if so does it vary between single and multi frequency modes?

Thanks

Tom

 

[Southwind]

Any idea why no USB? I was really expecting any top of the line to have a USB at this point. "Proprietary wireless?" OUCH! As a network administrator that deals with wireless on a daily basis, proprietary never works out for the end user. I was hoping I would be able to write PC programs for the White's detectors, but it sounds like the Vision won't fit the bill. Unless White's can supply a USB converter or their proprietary driver to us ISV(independent software vendors).

I really liked the SignaGraph and felt it was a unique advantage over all the others. How does the new individual frequency bars compare?

And now the $50,000 question. Performance

I'm sure we all have those places where current detector technology has reached it's limits. Is the Vision technology able to make these places start reproducing again?

 

[ELROMANO]

Hi Larry,

About the keyboard, Is it also Retro-Ilumination like controls of and audio car?

Thanks!!!

 

[bfodnes]

Carl said somewhere that they had PC software in the works that is aimed at communicating with the machine wireless.

What will be better then that if You want to set up something on your pc.

You dont have to plug it in, just rest it in the corner.

And you get no dirt or moisture in a USB port that isnt there in the first place...

 

[mazarelo]

Larry, how is the software response, any lag? How's the recovery time, with all the target
analysis of the 3 freqs? Thanks.

 

[Southwind]

Carl said somewhere that they had PC software in the works that is aimed at communicating with the machine wireless.

What will be better then that if You want to set up something on your pc.

You dont have to plug it in, just rest it in the corner.

Unless White's is willing to also release the proprietary driver to ISV's, White's will be the only ones that can write software for the Vision. This has never worked out for the end user in the past. Apple comes to mind.

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi,

Well, I'll take proprietary software over none at all. But if there is a dongle and a driver some bright kid out there will hack it - just like with Apple's products.

Steve Herschbach

 

[Larry (IL)]

I think what White's (Carl) might be thinking, is the wireless sharing of programs and passably software updates over the Web....at least, I hope so. A wireless adapter for your USB on the computer will eliminate the need for a USB on the Vision.

 

[Larry (IL)]

I don't know what processor is used, but it is lightning fast and has no trouble keeping up what so ever.

 

[Larry (IL)]

Tom, the suggested RX Gain is computed on many factors, ground, coil used, frequencies, EMI and probably other factors too.

 

[Carl-NC]

Any idea why no USB? I was really expecting any top of the line to have a USB at this point.

USB can't do anything that our wireless method can't do. With our wireless, you can transfer programs in the field (literally, in the middle of a 100 acre field) without the use of a computer. Or program 20 Visions all simultaneously. And when the USB dongle is finished, you can transfer to/from the computer as well. So wireless is far more flexible.

"Proprietary wireless?" OUCH! As a network administrator that deals with wireless on a daily basis, proprietary never works out for the end user.

Proprietary may not work when you are trying to get pieces from multiple vendors to communicate, but it works just fine in an application like this. It's not like we're trying to get White's Vision to communicate with Tesoro's Montezuma wireless model.

I was hoping I would be able to write PC programs for the White's detectors, but it sounds like the Vision won't fit the bill. Unless White's can supply a USB converter or their proprietary driver to us ISV(independent software vendors).

What kind of program are you wanting to write? I would not rule out working with ISVs if it provides a benefit to users. You can PM/email me on this if you like (carl@whiteselectronics.com).

- Carl

 

[Larry (IL)]

I don't know what retro is, but the keyboard glows in the dark if that helps.

 

[Eu_citzen]

Ah, so the rumours are true after all?

There are still people who think this is just a rumour.

It sounds like a awesome detector.

Larry,
What can you say about depth? Is it close to the DFX or...?

 

[Larry (IL)]

Hi Eu,

The depth is awesome, results vary for users, but for me a marked improvement and that is with the Vision right out of the box. White's put a lot of time into the Vision thinking and tinkering. I'm glad they did not rush it onto the market. We all owe Carl and the White's team a big hand.

 

[Bowie]

Heya Larry,If,I can get off work this coming Saturday,Im gonna try and make that show. It would be great to meet you and Carl.
How well does the Vision handle masking? I hunt a lot of old farm sites with plenty iron,not just nails, in the ground. How does it handle the wrap around and falsing off hot rocks?
How much does it weigh, I cant recall seeing anything on its weight.
I have many more questions but I want ask for now, like everyone else, masking is a big thing and any little help or improvement a machine has in that area would be great.
Thanks
John

 

[Southwind]

What kind of program are you wanting to write? I would not rule out working with ISVs if it provides a benefit to users.

Carl,

In anticipation of the day a detector would communicate with a PC, I started writing programs to aid the end user with simplifying programming their detectors. One of the complaints Ive that haunts the DFX is the dreaded "learning curve" or it's a "complicated" detector. A user friendly PC's based program would help to eliminate this false information that has shadowed the E-Series detectors.

I've also worked on a program to not only help track a users finds, but could also make it possible to sample targets in the field and allow you to bring them home to review on a PC. This would make a great learning tool to be able to try different settings and see how they would respond to a stored sampled target. Being able to bring up a stored sampled target could also be used to tech a new user what to expect in the field.

I've also had the idea of a type of GPS tracking where you could create a waypoint on any target and it be stored and then transferred to your PC where, via software, you could create a 3D debris field that would be very valuable for logging finds, and knowing where the hot spots might be.

With a USB port and a thumb drive it could be interesting.

As you can probably tell I'm a die hard White's fan. I believe with just what We've seen so far the Vision is going to have the *cough* competition scrambling to catchup, but you know they'll try their best. I'd rather see the Vision stay far ahead of the competition by anticipating how the competition will try and respond. Show no mercy if you will.