Well now... me thinks...

[Anonymous]

that some are going to be surprised if/when they decide to change some parameters on their Cibola or Vaquero detectors.
I examined both today, and if there is a trimpot in either, it is well hidden! There is a couple of things that might be added, but will require a little more than just adding a control or switch.
Unless my eyes deceive me, all parameters have been burned into the chip and any changes will require a reprogram of the chip or a new chip. (In the past 45+ years, I've looked inside a lot of electronic devices.)
I also noticed (comparing 2 V and 2 C detectors) that the "cranked up threshold" was way more pronounced on the C than the V. C audio is completely saturated and the V seems more like the older Tesoro detectors with threshold maxed.
With the C, (5.75" coil) no problem with coins to 11-12" and a 10k small ring at 13+" (in air) with disc set to completely eleminate a very old rusty bottle cap. A 5 cent coin beeps at about the same distance.
Gotta love a 2 pound 3 ounce detector outfitted with the 5.75" coil and ready to hunt.
Just some observations that someone might find of interest.
HH,
Ty

 

[Doug (Ga)]

Ty, you stated "I also noticed (comparing 2 V and 2 C detectors) that the "cranked up threshold" was way more pronounced on the C than the V. C audio is completely saturated and the V seems more like the older Tesoro detectors with threshold maxed."
Does that mean that with "the cranked up threshold" the Cibola can get more depth than the Vaquero ?

 

[Anonymous]

Doug, it's my opinion that the depth of detection is the same on both. You might give a slight edge to the V in some soils due to the GB feature. This is supposing that both are fitted with the same size search coil.
For the past few months, I've used the C with standard coil and the V fitted with the 575 coil and swapped detectors depending on which size coil I needed at a site. Depth on the 575 coil is amazing, plus it works very good in high trash areas.
I'm in second place in Find of Month competition in our local club. I've missed one meeting and the person in first place hunts twice as much as I do and is much younger than me! Wonder if the fact that he uses the Cibola might help him?
Hope this helps you.
Ty

 

[Doug (Ga)]

Thank you Ty

 

[Anonymous]

you posting again! From what I was told, the days of modifing the Tesoros are over. Everything is incorperated in a chip. Tesoro was getting tired of fixing stuff somebody monkeyed with.

So you find the Tejon is any deeper than these models?

 

[Anonymous]

Yep, from what I heard, no more mods or at most, very simple ones. After 4 decades in electronic service shops, I can understand that viewpoint. Tough enough sometimes to find and repair a problem without guessing if there really is a problem or just mods causing it.
It's my opinion that the Tejon has at least a couple of inches depth of detection on coin size targets as compared to the C or V... I use the V most of the time with a 575 coil as I hunt the junk infested areas.
If one is serious about coin/jewelry or relics, the Tejon will hang in with any detector I know about as far as depth and target separation ability.
Ty

 

[JB(MS)]

Most preset ground balance detectors are balanced way too positive for the soil conditions here, including all of the several preset Tesoros I've had. A friend recently bought a new Deleon and it's so positive the threshold is almost full volume when the coil is lowered to the ground in all metal mode, and when I went to the 7 inch ShadowX2 coil on the Golden it was so positive it wouldn't detect a half dollar. The older preset Tesoros could be balanced using the internal pot, which is what I did on the Golden, programming ground balance settings into the chip will require sending the detectors in for what could possibly be a hit or miss readjustment since they have no way of knowing exactly what the ground conditions are in every location. About the Tejon and target separation. If the sensitivity isn't set too high it's the only vlf detector I've seen that can match the target separation of the old Gold Mountain GMT 1650. I don't know what the composition of the nail in the photo is, have been told it had some nonferrous properties, but I've used it going on 15 years to see how detectors respond to coins under nails. With a nickel directly under the bend of the nail the Tejon is the only detector, other than the 1650, of the many I've checked that can get the nickel in all four directions with the disc set to reject the nail.

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[Doug[Manila]]

Hi JB,
you said "With a nickel directly under the bend of the nail the Tejon is the only detector, other than the 1650, of the many I've checked that can get the nickel in all four directions with the disc set to reject the nail."

Which other detectors did you try that test on?

 

[JB(MS)]

For a lot of years I had a photography business that included buying and reselling used camera equipment, in late 1990 or early 91 I added buying and reselling used detectors, and a few new ones. Stopped selling camera equipment 4 or 5 years ago and pretty much stopped with detectors early last year. Since then I've only bought 5 or 6, sold or traded those and sold a couple of older detectors I'd had for a few years. I tried to buy current models and mostly stuck with the name brands, never made much money, if any, from the detectors but I got to play with a bunch of different makes and models. I bought, and checked, more different Garrett, Whites, Fisher and Tesoro models than any of the other brands as they were the easiest to sell. Also two Sovereigns and two Musketeers--the original version and a later version, three different Compass Scanner models, a couple of Newforce models, a C-Scope 1220xd, ShadowX2 and X5, a couple of Bounty Hunters including the latest Time Ranger and all the Treasure Baron models except one of the Kellyco versions. Haven't tried the Garrett GTI's, Whites Prism, DFX or MXT, Fisher Coinstrike, CZ3D and Excel or the Cibola and Vaquaro. The old Compass 100 khz TR's were/are the best at seeing coins under nails and other small iron but the GMT 1650 is pretty darn good and the Tejon got the nickel under that nail easily, and also did really well in separating targets with trash placed near coins. The Tejon I checked belongs to a friend and except for checking target separation and the nickel under nail thing I've only swung one for a few minutes. The nickel under nail thing was done with the nail lying on the ground, setting disc to reject it and then putting the nickel under it. I have no idea how many detectors I've checked using that nail, but counting detectors that belong to hunting buddies and friends it has to be well over a hundred, maybe even close to two hundred. The results I got/get here could very well be a lot different elsewhere. We have virtually no mineralization here and there's no doubt ground conditions play a big part in the results we all get, regardless of what brand or model we use.

JB

 

[Dennis 2]

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