Happy_Hour
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Just like you said, their loyalty to the small dealer was a joke and a front. I am glad you are no longer with us to witness this 
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Well David Bishop Of Australia, Tesoro Sold Out.
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fowlercharles
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Knowing Tesoro as we all should by now,we will likely see that this is not any "sellout" as you are implying,but an agreement that should be not only a wise one for not only both parties, but also for Tesoro customers. I have to continue to believe that Tesoro very much took into consideration, not only what was good for Tesoro, but also how it would effect, past , present, and future Tesoro Users. If I am wrong, time will tell, but I wil continue to put my money on Tesoro, If you have not noticed, here of late it has been just a bit difficult for some of us buying Tesoro to locate any nearby or convienient dealers, for whatever reason. I know some have aged and due to sickness, had to retire or whatever. This move to Kellyco will open the door for many more sales for Tesoro, and plenty of Nuwbies will be introduced to Tesoro. That is a good thing! As for many of us that know Tesoro, it will not chanbge a thing and most will likely keep buying our Tesoros from our same ole familuar dependable dealers. I know I plan no changes, and you can bet KellyCo will be on their best behavior for their Tesoro customers. or Tesoro, will surely"S--- can" them as before. Most likely the only complaint to be heard will be from some of us will be that we are finding all these Nuwbies(and oldies) showing up at our favorite honeyholes with more and more of these new and great digging machines they just "discovered " being sold at Kellyco. Rake it in Tesoro! Rake it in! HH Charlie
Terry Soloman
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Happy_Hour said:Just like you said, their loyalty to the small dealer was a joke and a front. I am glad you are no longer with us to witness this
Hey Happy Hour! First, I want you to know many of us here in the United States have - and continue to pray for your Country, and all those affected by the disasters rocking Australia. Now let's talk about Tesoro's loyalty. There is not one, let that sink in - not even one small dealer, that has ever been mistreated or left out in the cold by Tesoro. Small dealers have nothing to fear from this deal. In truth, this HELPS small dealers because name/brand recognition will go up as more of the Tesoro machines are exposed to a wider audience. Local dealers ALWAYS have the edge, because they interact with their customer in a way that a computer keyboard cannot. You can argue it, but you
Tesoro has totally gotten my dander up in at least 3 different occasions: one on customer service, one on their behaviour at a local treasure hunt, and another on the way my ONCE local dealer was treated. The truth is: it's a business which has an excellent product, an unbeatable warranty, and a fair, business-minded attitude. I ENJOY going to my local dealer because they have a comrade that no other place has. Since I have lost mine, Richard at Backwood's detectors has been the greatest with fast service and fair prices
I'm sure there are others.
I'm sure there are others.johnnywayne
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Wow what a original thread, I bet it took days to be so clever and come up with this thread I bet you wont find another thread like it on here...NOPE this is sooooooo original.
LAME!!!!!!
LAME!!!!!!
Bobbylikesgold
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Stuff any Aussie dealer that charges a huge mark up over U.S. price , when the Oz dollar is worth more !
I know the import costs & the 10% tax on sales , that covers a 15% extra charge , but its around 100% extra to buy a Tesoro in Australia
Bobby .
I know the import costs & the 10% tax on sales , that covers a 15% extra charge , but its around 100% extra to buy a Tesoro in Australia
Bobby .
I have a good friend that is a small scale metal detector dealer that runs the business out of his home, He said he would ship to Australia or anyplace in the world with the added cost of shipping.
I've bought detecting equipment from western Europe, so I know it can be done, just costs a little more for shipping.
I've bought detecting equipment from western Europe, so I know it can be done, just costs a little more for shipping.
Bobbylikesgold
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Hombre said:
I'm a beer drinking meat eater , shove the cheese & wine , you talk a lot of nothing , I've checked your past posts ' don't bother commenting on mine again , I'll do the same for you .
Bob.
Happy_Hour
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Bobbylikesgold said:Hombre said:
I'm a beer drinking meat eater , shove the cheese & wine , you talk a lot of nothing , I've checked your past posts ' don't bother commenting on mine again , I'll do the same for you .
Bob.
Holy Cow."Sigh"...
Old retail guy here...over 25 years...mostly in ceiling fan business from the early 80's.
Sold american made, (when they were made in america), Casablancas, Hunters, Emersons, Fascos, Fanimation fans and others, and more brands and types of imports than I can remember or count.
I have personally sold over 15 million dollars worth of product, (average ticket amount over the years $150-$250), managed several corporate stores and had my own retail store for over 15 years, up until 2008 when I got out.
In the early days though the early 80's, most fans were sold through lighting stores and some independent chains.
Some independent stores from the 70's into the early 80's were averaging 1-2 million dollars a year, retail.
Then Home Depot came into existence and became a presence in the early 80's..
Prices dropped, other dealers had to adjust to the new reality.
No more selling at or close to MSRP.
Sales volumes dropped.
Upheaval in the industry...but we adjusted.
Casablanca, a company that has been bought and sold several times over the years, were bought out by a very large company that decided to sell to Home Depot in the mid 80's.
Independent dealers rebelled, wholesale cost to dealers on the Delta II model were about $145, Home Depot's were selling them for $159, retail.
Want to know how they did that?
Home Depot imported cheap, paper overlay blade sets, (cardboard), to sell on those powerful motors instead of the much higher quality more expensive and stronger wood blade sets Casablanca supplied that those motors were designed to use.
Casablanca knew they were doing this, but they still let them.
Wobbling and other problems were common.
Independent dealers, who were still trying to sell fans with the correct blade sets at a higher price, were told by Casablanca that they shouldn't worry...the type of customer that went to home depot were not the same type that bought from their stores.
Like in real life most people don't shop around for price.
A joke.
Casablanca lost most of their network of independent dealers...eventually Casablanca pulled their products from Home Depot.
I tell this story to illustrate a point.
I don't know what the big fuss is about, just because Tesoro is now selling to Kellyco.
Unless Tesoro decides to drop their quality to match lower pricepoints, (see story above), which I don't see happening here at all, or give them huge volume discounts which would really uneven the playing field, there should not be a problem.
Kellyco and several other companies seem to play the "free with purchase" card.
"Buy this and in the package we will throw in for free all of this..."
This is a game, a sales tool.
Any right thinking logical person should know that the free stuff really isn't free.
If you talk to most dealers that do this, and ask for none of the "free' stuff, the price on the detectors magically drops.
That's fine, but personally I would rather not do business with companies that do this if I could help it...but that is just me.
I would rather deal with a good, knowledgeable local independent dealer than a far away one.
Knowledge, support, advice service is usually perceived as better, if those dealers are running their business correctly.
Even if I have to pay a little, but not a lot, more.
I had a store, I know the costs of doing business.
I sold fans in stores near Home Depot and Lowes stores for years.
I preferred to be as close to the big box stores as possible because it cuts down on the travel time for the customers that shopped both of our stores.
If they came to my store first and then felt they just had to shop a big box or any other competitor, after educating them a little, they usually came back to me.
If they went to the big box first and then shopped me, I always got the sale.
Even with employee discounts, I have sold to tons of Lowe's and home Depot and Lighting store employees over the years.
Superior knowledge, quality, professional advice, selection, and local warranty service were the reasons.
If smaller dealers are running their business correctly, there shouldn't be much fallout from this Kellyco deal.
In this day and age, when huge electronic, furniture, restaurant and other chains are closing doors, you have to stay on top of all the increasing costs to stay in business.
Especially the detector business, which is a niche business, after all.
The advantages to Tesoro with this deal could be greater name recognition and sales...which will enable them to continue to keep their employees working making their fine high quality products, and maybe even some more money for R&D..
We Tesoro fans are always looking for the time when they will use their magic and come out with the next great thing with that wonderful lifetime warranty.
This deal could be exactly the thing that can make this happen.
Wouldn't that be great?
So let's all just calm down a little and see how things shake out in the near future.
HH
Old retail guy here...over 25 years...mostly in ceiling fan business from the early 80's.
Sold american made, (when they were made in america), Casablancas, Hunters, Emersons, Fascos, Fanimation fans and others, and more brands and types of imports than I can remember or count.
I have personally sold over 15 million dollars worth of product, (average ticket amount over the years $150-$250), managed several corporate stores and had my own retail store for over 15 years, up until 2008 when I got out.
In the early days though the early 80's, most fans were sold through lighting stores and some independent chains.
Some independent stores from the 70's into the early 80's were averaging 1-2 million dollars a year, retail.
Then Home Depot came into existence and became a presence in the early 80's..
Prices dropped, other dealers had to adjust to the new reality.
No more selling at or close to MSRP.
Sales volumes dropped.
Upheaval in the industry...but we adjusted.
Casablanca, a company that has been bought and sold several times over the years, were bought out by a very large company that decided to sell to Home Depot in the mid 80's.
Independent dealers rebelled, wholesale cost to dealers on the Delta II model were about $145, Home Depot's were selling them for $159, retail.
Want to know how they did that?
Home Depot imported cheap, paper overlay blade sets, (cardboard), to sell on those powerful motors instead of the much higher quality more expensive and stronger wood blade sets Casablanca supplied that those motors were designed to use.
Casablanca knew they were doing this, but they still let them.
Wobbling and other problems were common.
Independent dealers, who were still trying to sell fans with the correct blade sets at a higher price, were told by Casablanca that they shouldn't worry...the type of customer that went to home depot were not the same type that bought from their stores.
Like in real life most people don't shop around for price.
A joke.
Casablanca lost most of their network of independent dealers...eventually Casablanca pulled their products from Home Depot.
I tell this story to illustrate a point.
I don't know what the big fuss is about, just because Tesoro is now selling to Kellyco.
Unless Tesoro decides to drop their quality to match lower pricepoints, (see story above), which I don't see happening here at all, or give them huge volume discounts which would really uneven the playing field, there should not be a problem.
Kellyco and several other companies seem to play the "free with purchase" card.
"Buy this and in the package we will throw in for free all of this..."
This is a game, a sales tool.
Any right thinking logical person should know that the free stuff really isn't free.
If you talk to most dealers that do this, and ask for none of the "free' stuff, the price on the detectors magically drops.
That's fine, but personally I would rather not do business with companies that do this if I could help it...but that is just me.
I would rather deal with a good, knowledgeable local independent dealer than a far away one.
Knowledge, support, advice service is usually perceived as better, if those dealers are running their business correctly.
Even if I have to pay a little, but not a lot, more.
I had a store, I know the costs of doing business.
I sold fans in stores near Home Depot and Lowes stores for years.
I preferred to be as close to the big box stores as possible because it cuts down on the travel time for the customers that shopped both of our stores.
If they came to my store first and then felt they just had to shop a big box or any other competitor, after educating them a little, they usually came back to me.
If they went to the big box first and then shopped me, I always got the sale.
Even with employee discounts, I have sold to tons of Lowe's and home Depot and Lighting store employees over the years.
Superior knowledge, quality, professional advice, selection, and local warranty service were the reasons.
If smaller dealers are running their business correctly, there shouldn't be much fallout from this Kellyco deal.
In this day and age, when huge electronic, furniture, restaurant and other chains are closing doors, you have to stay on top of all the increasing costs to stay in business.
Especially the detector business, which is a niche business, after all.
The advantages to Tesoro with this deal could be greater name recognition and sales...which will enable them to continue to keep their employees working making their fine high quality products, and maybe even some more money for R&D..
We Tesoro fans are always looking for the time when they will use their magic and come out with the next great thing with that wonderful lifetime warranty.
This deal could be exactly the thing that can make this happen.
Wouldn't that be great?
So let's all just calm down a little and see how things shake out in the near future.
HH
dixiedigger57
Member
It's kinda like Tesoro has a sponsor now, the Nascar thing! Dale Jr has not won a race in how long? But, he is an Icon and the sponsors are the big name boys. They sell each other. Coca Cola sponsors on rival teams. Would you want Coca Cola as a sponsor, or Dundee's roasted crocodile tail? Kellyco will pit the brands against each other somewhat, and let the fans choose, possibly resulting in more sales and cheaper prices, more incentive to improve and produce, more encouragement to succeed. What the heck guys, this aint the Civil War. That was over when Grant swiped Lee's sword, and Lee was just to much of a Southern Gentleman to say anything! Harrrrrgh!!!!! quit arguing and post some finds! i cant hunt for a while and wanna see someone find something at least. Momma said if ya cant say something nice about someone, dont say nothing at all. build a bridge, and get over it, whats done is done, and its just water passing under it. cant we all just get along?
I think one of the advantages Tesoro gets is the brand new buyer, who does an internet search on Metal Detectors....guess what link comes up first ?
Prior to Tesoro selling the Kelly Co, if a brand new person on vacation sees a person metal detecting, and instead of approaching them, does an internet search, and goes to the Kelly Co site, there would not be any Tesoro brands available. If the person now sees the Tesoro brand available, the features, price, and the warranty, it is a win for Tesoro. At least they get some exposure.
I don't think the quality of the machines will suffer. I have been detecting for 25+ years, and whenever a brand new person asks me questions and what is a good beginners unit, the Tesoro Compadre and Silver are the 2 units I recommend the most. Especially if the person is asking for their child. They may see me with a top of the line model, with a screen, buttons galore, etc....but when I tell them the price, and the fact that they really don't need all the bells and whistles when first starting off, and the fact that the Tesoro comes with a life time warranty ( which the parents always like), it's a pretty easy sell. BUT...I always tell them to seek out a local dealer if applicable and send them to the detecting sites to do research.
Prior to Tesoro selling the Kelly Co, if a brand new person on vacation sees a person metal detecting, and instead of approaching them, does an internet search, and goes to the Kelly Co site, there would not be any Tesoro brands available. If the person now sees the Tesoro brand available, the features, price, and the warranty, it is a win for Tesoro. At least they get some exposure.
I don't think the quality of the machines will suffer. I have been detecting for 25+ years, and whenever a brand new person asks me questions and what is a good beginners unit, the Tesoro Compadre and Silver are the 2 units I recommend the most. Especially if the person is asking for their child. They may see me with a top of the line model, with a screen, buttons galore, etc....but when I tell them the price, and the fact that they really don't need all the bells and whistles when first starting off, and the fact that the Tesoro comes with a life time warranty ( which the parents always like), it's a pretty easy sell. BUT...I always tell them to seek out a local dealer if applicable and send them to the detecting sites to do research.
The truth be known, yeah Kellyco gets a one time customer.The reality of this happens to be when the buyer has to find out how to use the machine. Trying to learn a detector from a users manual is without question a tough road to go.Without the small retailer that shows his or her customer how to use and take care of the detector, this said customer will not really get out of the hobby what he or she should. In a way, as a former retailer I can understand what Tesoro has done. But the one thing that eventually works out is the small dealer will end up taking care of that customer and get the repeat sales. Remember the one business truth that is always out there. In time your customer will come back as service is what is actually wanted. I just wonder if the small dealers have to take care of the customers that purchased there detectors from Kellyco? This is what makes the local dealer the king is the after the sale service.
dixiedigger57
Member
hey Wirechief, the local Tesoro dealer in my area is a friend, but she only carries 3 o 4 units in stock. She is a dealer for Garrett, but same thing. She would order you anything you want, and has headphones, etc.. but limited. The dealer also said that the 20% off she passed on, 5% hers and 15% customer discount, was taken away by Tesoro. This might take a little off competition from Kellyco, who was a good bit cheaper when I looked, a GOOD BIT! Still, unless i tried one in hand, i would be reluctant to buy. Too far away from Kellyco to go. The local Whites dealer, same thing, 2 in stock. Thats why we see the radio Shack/walmart/First texas stuff so much. Pallets of them on the floor and cheap. not my cup of tea, had a couple, they are what they are, $99 dollar jobs, they work but its like a coat hanger for an antennae, it works is all i say where you selling from? i live in georgia