Was looking at the classified forum...

[Davethejunky]

And there seems to be a lot of the high end ID machines for sale. Are they just not up to par, or are people just spending a lot of $$$$ just to try out the hype?

 

[berryman]

What hype are you referring to?

 

[Wraytex]

There's going to be a pretty sizable segment of any hobby that likes to sample as many different offerings from different manufacturers as their pocketbooks will allow. There's nothing wrong with that and that drives innovation. There's also nothing wrong with enjoying a metal detector, vehicle, etc, long after it's paid off.

 

[Davethejunky]

What hype are you referring to?

The hype with the Deus, 3030, Racer. I know they are excellent machines, I have the Deus but I think I payed mostly for hype. From what I see my Vaquero is just as capable, sure the Deus is deeper but most of my coin finds in the past are in the range of most mid priced detectors. Just my opinion. I'm not slamming any machine, I just see the trend and sometimes wonder.

 

[jld66]

last weekend i went to my first club get together and hunt. i tried a few "higher end" machines. minelab ctx 3030, e-trac. those are heavy machines. and the at-pro i felt seemed cheaply made. like it was a disposable unit. as for finding metal, did not see anything special about them that my vaquero does not do.

 

[Monte]

Was looking at the classified forum... And there seems to be a lot of the high end ID machines for sale. Are they just not up to par, or are people just spending a lot of $$$$ just to try out the hype?

There are detector models of all price ranges, and they have a wide range of features, and they are there in the Classifieds Forums in a ratio, possibly, of how they are marketed brand new and promoted by the manufacturers initially.

The higher-dollar detectors might get promoted a little more because many people bought into some of the 'hype' or 'implied performance and function' by the manufacturers expecting some sort of magical performance, only to find they spent a lot of $$$$ for a heavier or more complicated detector that really couldn't do too much better than a $$ priced detector. That's especially true when they pay a lot for visual Target ID or audio Tone ID.

Now, does that mean models with some of the extra features are no good? No, not at all. Some models have a reasonable price point and they provide both useful adjustment or visual functions, and also provide the in-the-field performance to go along with that. A good example, and a model you mentioned below, is the Makro Racer. This is one of my favorite currently produced detectors and I have one in my personal arsenal in my vehicle. I keep the small 4.[size=small]7[/size]X5.[size=small]2[/size] 'OOR' Double-D coil mounted full-time because that is a detector/coil 'package' that works well for me in the sites I hunt.

I haven't found any 'hype' to the Racer model marketing. I have read and heard a bit of 'hype' about some other makes and models, and even about some Tesoro models, but those are the ones I don't care for anyway. I see a lot of models, older and newer, from many detector makers, and often they are there by people unsatisfied with what the detectors do or don't do, or maybe about how much they paid for them. In some cases it is just a matter of selling something to buy-and-try something different.

There are many makes and models that seem to have been pumped out onto the market that are terrible to so-so, to not all that bad, to pretty darn good, but there are many reasons people part with them, or try to. Personally, I rely on the Classified to let me know more about the makes and models that people seem to really like, which therefore probably perform well, and they aren't on the Classifieds because people like them and don't want to let them go.

Those are often models that seem to be more in-demand for many avid detectorists who are savvy to the fact that they work, are reasonably priced, don't come with a lot of flash-and-fancy, but are just more difficult to find. That seems to be the case with many Tesoro models, by the way, and it has taken me a few years to round up my current Tesoro arsenal with clean, decent specimens of excellent-performing former models. I just got lucky and came across four excellent specimens in a month, but don't expect to see these same models surface often on the Classifieds. Not all the 'hype' or all the 'deluxe features' and such. They are just simple, and they work.

The "high-end" detectors seem to come and go and come and go, often the same specific unit, on the Classifieds. I guess many of them just lack the 'magic' as well as lack the end-results performance.

Just my opinions.

Monte

 

[Southwind]

As has already been stated there are many who like to sample the high end machines for their own evaluation. I happen to be one of those. I will buy a high end machines for evaluation knowing darn well I will most likely be selling it within a few months or less.

I do this because my personal experience has been what is posted as a great machine for one person may not be the same experience for me. The only way to know for sure is to sample it yourself.

 

[amberjack]

I agree if I had enough cash I would own one of every major bands detectors and every coil but I don't so I don't

but can only use one at time hey

AJ

 

[Davethejunky]

Monte, you were able to say what I wanted to. I spent $1600 on the Deus and personally feel that it aint worth half that from what I see in it. But I have the rest of the summer with it to change my mind.

 

[D&P-OR]

Buy that $400 coil that is coming out & with that (sometime to be released) "free" upgrade & it (may) be better!

Monte, you were able to say what I wanted to. I spent $1600 on the Deus and personally feel that it aint worth half that from what I see in it. But I have the rest of the summer with it to change my mind.

 

[amberjack]

you talking about a ctx

AJ

 

[Davethejunky]

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[airscapes]

Many people buy a machine, use it for a couple of months and want another so like horses they sell and trade. Others have bought new machines and sell off the older ones, that sometimes, from what I have read more than a few times, worked better than the new. Other people don't take the time to actually really learn the machine and quickly turn it over for a different one. I would guess that most of these machines were NOT new when the seller bought them to start. I have bought 1 new machine when I started, my Coinmaster GT and 2 coils for it. I think I had close to $800 invested and it was still a Coinmaster GT. After about a year I bought a DFX off Ebay that had several coils and a lot of other extras I could use to set up a second rig for guest to join me. Next thing I knew I see an XLT (note: both the DFX and XLT are older discontinued models but still very respected and in the proper hands can hang with the current higher end machines for MUCH LESS MONEY) on craigs list. After a few months I figure I don't need 4 machines and I really like the DFX so I sell one of the XLTs. 3 weeks later I pick up a well used DFX (screen starting to fail but completely usable) for a song. I now have the other XLT for sale and will just run with the 2 DFXs (big coil on one, small on the other) and the coinmaster GT for cherry picking quarters. BTW, if I tried to sell off the Coinmaster GT (only a year old with it's coils I would take a huge loss. Going directly to used after the initial purchase and use of an entry level machine rather then upgrading to a NEW higher end is the way to go in my book. You may have to wait for what you want but if you don't like it and bought at the proper price you can turn it over for something else without losing you shirt. You can't do that without loss if buying new.

 

[Rick(ND)]

Buy up a detector after I have read what i can and if I think it may work for me I will get it with the idea I will probably sell it if I don't like it. The reason is like you say it may work excellent for some, but not for me. This also is true with the detectors that people want to copy others programs and find out they don't work for them. We have 3 guys here with Explorers and they all do well and use different programs and even tries one another programs and they find what they have been using works better, so like you say and I feel what works for one may not work for you so you just got to try a detector yourself just to see if it will work for you or not.

Rick

 

[Davethejunky]

I agree. That's why I bought the Deus, I read everything I could about it and decided to give it a try. I guess I need more hours with it to understand it but I love my Tesoro and it keeps up with the Deus coin for coin but I haven't got any deep ones to compare. This leads me to believe that a majority of the coins out there are reachable with a $500 detector and ask myself if it's worth spending the extra $$$ for one that may get the 1 out of 100 12 inch deep coin. I used an explorer for years and it was rare to dig a coin more than 10 inches, Most of the Barber and seated come from 8 inches and less. The few large cents I found a2 were 4 inches or less.

As far as paying $400 for a new coil for the Deus to work better...... Nope. $1600 was enough,