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Warming up to the Ace350- But have a pinpointer question.

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darrenb

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Well, I finally decided to put my teknetics down today and take my new 350 out for a spin, and I must say, it is a deeper machine. I can't pinpoint as well with it yet, but I think that is probably just because I don't fully understand it yet. I did pick up 15 clad, one 1946 wheatie, and one 1947 wheatie. I am realizing how much time and effort a pinpointer with a little range will save me. I have a BH pinpointer and one of the cheap cen-tech units, and while they both work, they only seem to work when in contact with the target. I think it is time to purchase a propointer. I was looking to see what it is going to cost me, and I noticed that Garrett now has a "superwand pinpointer" available. Has anyone had experience with this? I know that the propointer has a strong following, but haven't heard of anyone commenting on the superwand. Think it would be worth the extra money? (looks like it is about $50 more than the propointer.)
Thanks guys!
 
Well that certainly makes things easier! I saw it under the pinpointer section at kellyco, and just assumed it was for dirt fishing. Looks like it is time to order a propointer. Thanks, John!
 
I must agree with Orion42. I received my Pro Pointer on Friday, and I can't believe I ever hunted with out one. It made a huge difference in finding targets.
 
The superwand is a body scanner made by Garrett's security division and used in airports, government buildings. etc. to scan people. The Pro Pointer is for coins.

Bill
 
THE ONLY THING TO USE! GARRET PROPOINTER. THEIR MIGHT BE OTHER GOOD PRODUCTS OUT THERE BUT PROPOINTER IS TOPS FOR ME !
 
Also when I mark a target dig where it should be,,,,Then I find the target again about 3 inches to the right?????...Being new that adds a lot of confusion......Why is that?
Thanks Dave
 
You didn't mention in this thread which detector model or coil you are using, so let me presume it might be an Ace 350 with the larger-size Double-D coil.


Teddybear said:
So new to all of this.
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How 'new' is new? Again, which detector model and coil are you using?


Teddybear said:
How do you use the Pro-pointer.....Use your detector first?
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Pinpointed can be a useful tool. The Pro-Pointer is, in my opinion, one of the best available. That said, it is just a tool that really ought to be used only when your other recovery efforts need some help. It used to be nobody had such a thing and we could easily detect and locate a target, pinpoint the targets, then recover the target simply using our detector. This method is still the most important method for target retrieval and I recover at least 90% of my coins (presuming you're a coin hunter) without reaching for my Pro-Pointer.

Always use your metal detector to pinpoint a detected target!​

Pinpointed with your detector required you to use a threshold-based All Metal Pinpoint function, and includes your ability (the detectorists ability) to de-tune the detector as needed to help pinpoint, and then to master the dynamics of the search coil type used. Don't try to pinpoint a target using the motion Discriminate mode. Yes, it can be done at times, especially with a very small coil and in a loose material such as sand or wood chips in a playground where you can scuff the target out (if shallow), but detectors come with a Pinpoint function simply for the purpose of pinpointing a target.

Once you have detected a target you try to center if with your coil, then move the search coil off to the side so the coil's edge is past the target. Trigger or press the Pinpoint control and move the search coils left-and-right until you hear the strong audio response from the target and stop the coil at that strongest audio. Then, while still activated in pinpoint, you move the coil forward and back until you have made a [size=large]+[/size] over the target, stopping at the strongest audio. In theory, and if all is in your favor, the detected target will usually be very close to dead-center of your search coil where the left-right and forward-backward signal strengths cross.

Then you just eyeball that specific spot and use a slender recovery tool, such as a rounded-off screwdriver, to probe down, gently, at that spot until you make contact with the targets. It might mean moving the screwdriver around a little by maybe
 
Yes I'm using the Ace 350 DD coil...And I can't pinpoint ANYTHING.......Just my 3'rd time out..........Just getting used to watching my detectors screen to be honest....Running in coin mode....factory settings.....I really took it up the #### this am.....First off just to darn cold and windy to be out.....Tough diggin in frozen ground as you know.......But if I can't dig with some kind of confidence I get frustrated.I will stick with it I can assure ya.....I like it but just frustrated at not being able to locate my target..All I got this am was a corona cap.....and a piece of foil..........UGH.....Time to relax and regroup.............Not looking like very good weather for a few days,even a week........

Thanks Dave
 
Dave, don't feel bad. The DD coil is way different when pinpointing. With my 8" round coil on my teknetics, I can pinpoint accurate enough to hit the coin with a screwdriver before ever starting to dig. With the DD coil, I'm missing it by about 3" or so as well... Part of my problem is that there are actually 3 points on the coil that will pinpoint. The nose, center, and heel of the coil. The good news is that the 350 really is a deeper machine, so I think it is worth the tradeoff. Lots of guys on here say that they can pinpoint very accurately with the DD coil, so I think it is just a case of learning the unit. One thing I have been doing on the bad weather days is to go to youtube and watch metal detecting videos. Good place to pick up some good tips, and it is almost as good as getting out in the field!
Good luck, and Happy hunting!
Darren
 
If you didn't know me you might start to think it sounds like I want things to jump out onto the surface for me.......thats not the case. I'm so glad I joined a forum to get feed back. I see that I'm doing ok as a starter....I was a bit down after this morning however.......Thanks for the help!!!!
Dave
 
Cold windy weather and frozen ground is frustrating enough without adding learning a new detector and the hobby in general. Relax a little. After i bought my 250, I bought one of those $15 Harbor freight pinpointers and found that the probe has to be in ontact with metal before it sounds off. Not too helpful. Had it for about two weeks before I bought a propointer. As someone said, don't leave home without it. Don't know how I functioned before. Ahhh...Ace 250, sniper coil, propointer...now all I need to do is decide which larger coil to buy and iI'll be set. Hang in there - spring is coming
MrGee
 
or basement or sidewalk you can throw a coin or two down and practice pinpointing.
Another way is to tape coins on a piece of cardboard, flip it over and stick a pin or nail where you pinpoint the coin. Then check how you did
 
Yeah with a little practice you can pinpoint with the DD without even pressing the pinpoint button. Saves a lot of time.

Bill
 
I'm getting better with it. I am X-ing over the target and digging at the center of the strongest signal. I'm also finding that using the pinpoint feature helps in determining if the target is a coin or something larger. Seems that on coins, the max signal is a very narrow window, while on other targets, the max signal tapers off more slowly. I noticed that on lots of the coins, I get a 'double ding' rather than a single. Not sure what is causing that, but so far I'm only finding a single coin under the double signal. I had a 250 a while back, and I sold it before I had a chance to learn it. I didn't like the bell tones. I'm getting used to those tones now though, and am really liking the 350!
 
The DD coil is extremely sensitivity, You think that AT Pro false when you hold the coil up in the air, you should here the 350, with it in Zero mode and senility turned all the way up it goes off like a machine gun as soon as you lower the coil the the ground it stops as long as you don't have much trash in the ground,

This is where and one of the reason's I jumped the gun and got all PO'ed about my 350, I WAS WRONG to do this and should know better.

This is my first DD coil and yes I was having trouble with it and still learning it. But have got much, much better.

One of the biggest problems is shallow targets (were talking 2 1/2 inches or less) The problem is when you pinpoint the bar graph goes off the scale (max out) so the the target can be anywhere under the coil.

There are two ways I use to pin point and I use it on nearly every shallow target

when I find a target I do not use the pinpoint button, I center over the target and wiggle the coil left to right (no more than 3 inches) swinging it back to me till it stops at this point I keep a eye on where it stops, it will stop right at the end of the or tip of the coil. ( Note: if you use less sensitivity, It will stop right under the Garrett Ace logo at the tip of the coil.)

Keeping a eye on where it stops or marking the ground, I now raise the coil off the ground about 4 to 5" this causes the bar graph to lower the scale I then find the highest tone and the highest bar graph I then lower the coil center right down on top of the target.

One thing you need to remember when you push the pinpoint button your in all metal mode, as sensitive as it is, it can easily pick up on some other object in the ground that cause you not to find your target.

By using both of these ways, I now can pinpoint within 3 inch dia. of my target, not the best yet, but I'm getting there. :detecting:
 
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