Critterhunter
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First, I had done a PP Vs Disc video a few days ago but never posted a link for it. Some people did find that one judging by the views of it on Youtube, but if you saw it it's NOT the same video I'm posting here. I deleted that one because I wasn't happy with a few things, such as the fact that Youtube stuck ads in it when I decided to add one of their "free" soundtracks to it. I'll never do that again because you can't post videos on Findmall if you have ads on it. I have ads turned off in my account but didn't know that if you put in one of their soundtracks it would override the settings for that video.
That's one of the reasons why I didn't post a link for it, but the other is that I wasn't happy with the video because I didn't see if raising the volume on the Sovereign from lowest to highest made any difference in depth between disc or PP, because I have heard some say in the past that PP can be effected by that, and also since Minelab states the volume should be all the way up on your Sovereign to insure you hear the deepest of targets, I wanted to do another video exploring all these questions. So I deleted that video and made a new one, and this time I can post a link for it since there are no ads sneaking in on me.
This disc vs PP debate, and the separate low vs high volume debate, has raged on and on for years in the Sovereign/Excalibur community and contains many elements at play. Some say pin point mode is deeper than discrimination for one thing. And another variable is that Minelab says to insure you hear the deepest of targets at fringe depth the volume on the Sovereign should be turned all the way up and then adjusted to a comfortable level with the volume controls on your headphones.
So I figured I'd test all 4 of these variables against each other in a video with a ruler in the foreground of the camera so you can easily see which does what. I tested disc with volume on the Sovereign at it's lowest setting, then volume on it's highest setting, and then did the same things in PP mode, so that not only could we see if the volume control on the Sovereign is a factor in depth, but also if PP mode is deeper than discrimination as some people (in particular Excalibur users beach hunting) claim.
I've noticed many times that I can't hear a deep target when I switch to PP that disc has no trouble hearing. I don't like using PP mode to PP anyway because I prefer to use disc so that iron or something doesn't drag me off the target, but just the same I keep the volume control on my GT all the way down since I don't have a volume control on my headphones. I've been told in the past that this could be a factor as to why I'm not hearing some targets when I do PP them in PP mode, so I wanted to test this as well, as some say PP mode needs the volume all the way to hear targets at maximum depth. Minelab has implied the same thing for disc mode, so I figured why not explore all these variables and see just how it all pans out.
Yea, I know, air testing Minelabs is not the same as air testing other machines, because many say due to the unique way Minelabs handle the ground signal they need a ground load to perform at optimum performance and depth, where as on non-Minelabs the general rule of thumb is they get less depth in the ground then they air test at, where as many say it's the exact reverse of that for a Minelab in many soils. Either way, if you are one to thing air testing is worthless then more power to you and there's nothing to see here, but if your one (like me) to find that air testing can still hold some valuable lessons to be learned, then this video is for you.
Anyway, below is a picture of a 10k/14K fused woman's engagement and wedding ring that I tested the 10" Tornado on for these tests. Sorry about the picture quality. Best I had of it. The ring isn't super thick, but neither is it a super thin one either. It's too bands on the smaller (but not thin) side of things.
In a minute here I'll be posting a link to the test video, but I've got to take care of a few issues first before posting it.
That's one of the reasons why I didn't post a link for it, but the other is that I wasn't happy with the video because I didn't see if raising the volume on the Sovereign from lowest to highest made any difference in depth between disc or PP, because I have heard some say in the past that PP can be effected by that, and also since Minelab states the volume should be all the way up on your Sovereign to insure you hear the deepest of targets, I wanted to do another video exploring all these questions. So I deleted that video and made a new one, and this time I can post a link for it since there are no ads sneaking in on me.
This disc vs PP debate, and the separate low vs high volume debate, has raged on and on for years in the Sovereign/Excalibur community and contains many elements at play. Some say pin point mode is deeper than discrimination for one thing. And another variable is that Minelab says to insure you hear the deepest of targets at fringe depth the volume on the Sovereign should be turned all the way up and then adjusted to a comfortable level with the volume controls on your headphones.
So I figured I'd test all 4 of these variables against each other in a video with a ruler in the foreground of the camera so you can easily see which does what. I tested disc with volume on the Sovereign at it's lowest setting, then volume on it's highest setting, and then did the same things in PP mode, so that not only could we see if the volume control on the Sovereign is a factor in depth, but also if PP mode is deeper than discrimination as some people (in particular Excalibur users beach hunting) claim.
I've noticed many times that I can't hear a deep target when I switch to PP that disc has no trouble hearing. I don't like using PP mode to PP anyway because I prefer to use disc so that iron or something doesn't drag me off the target, but just the same I keep the volume control on my GT all the way down since I don't have a volume control on my headphones. I've been told in the past that this could be a factor as to why I'm not hearing some targets when I do PP them in PP mode, so I wanted to test this as well, as some say PP mode needs the volume all the way to hear targets at maximum depth. Minelab has implied the same thing for disc mode, so I figured why not explore all these variables and see just how it all pans out.
Yea, I know, air testing Minelabs is not the same as air testing other machines, because many say due to the unique way Minelabs handle the ground signal they need a ground load to perform at optimum performance and depth, where as on non-Minelabs the general rule of thumb is they get less depth in the ground then they air test at, where as many say it's the exact reverse of that for a Minelab in many soils. Either way, if you are one to thing air testing is worthless then more power to you and there's nothing to see here, but if your one (like me) to find that air testing can still hold some valuable lessons to be learned, then this video is for you.
Anyway, below is a picture of a 10k/14K fused woman's engagement and wedding ring that I tested the 10" Tornado on for these tests. Sorry about the picture quality. Best I had of it. The ring isn't super thick, but neither is it a super thin one either. It's too bands on the smaller (but not thin) side of things.
In a minute here I'll be posting a link to the test video, but I've got to take care of a few issues first before posting it.