ok, try to follow,,,,you get blindfolded, and dropped off anywhere in the u.s.,,,you have no idea where you are hunting,,,,ok here's the question, how can you tell if you are hunting in good or bad ground with the tejon,,,,if you are hunting in bad ground, are you making radical changes to your ground balance,,,,and how do you know if you are making these radical changes if there isnt a beginning and end to the ground balance knob,,,,they say the 12 by 10 coil penetrates bad ground better,,,,what in the world tells me, im in bad ground,,,,,and if im not in bad ground is it to my disadvantage to use the 12 by 10 coil. ive been lazy for too many years with the xlt and dfx with their automatic ground balance, and let throw this in,,,the dfx is history with me, im hanging on to the xlt, but this tejon can really find the bullets,,,,ok let me get back to what im not making any sense of,,,,ive got the idea of the dd coil thing,,,,,but what i dont have an idea of is this good ground, bad ground thing,,,,,and how you determine if you are in bad or good ground with the tejon,,,,i know this probably makes no sense and you guys are thinking,,,whos this idiot,,,,but if someone can make heads or tails out of what im asking id appreciate it,,,,and if someone wants to take the time to try to answer this for me,,,remember im an ole dumb grunt, and you have to go slow with me,,,,,semper fi, doug culp
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Very Dumb Tejon Question
- Thread starter usmcgrunt
- Start date
I understand you completely. I don't have a Tejon but have had a few manual adjusting ground balance Tesoro's. I also don't know about "good" ground "bad" ground,etc. but it is very easy to ground balance a Tesoro. I would say no matter where you are or what the soil/ground is like, a person goes through the adjustment of the ground balance in the same way and set it to the way you like it, a little positive a little negative or right on the nose. Steve.
BarberBill
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I agree with Skiwhiz, ground balance as usual and as long as you can find the balance point, don't worry about it.
BB
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let me try this,,,,i know you can ground balance a machine in either bad or good ground,,,thats the idea behind ground balancing,,,,,,this is what i dont get,,,,,,once youve ground balanced a machine,,,how do you know what type of ground youve just balanced the machine too,,,,,does the ground have a lot or little ground mineralization, i know a person can hunt anywhere with a detector with a manual or automatic ground balance,,,but let me try this,,,,,,how do i know with a tesoro tejon that the ground i just ground balanced my machine to has little or a lot of mineralization. i hear a lot of folks saying this machine or that machine works great in heavy mineralization,,,,,,but with a ground balance knob that has no starting or stopping point like the old whites,,,how does a person truely know,,,,,,now let me get to the double d coils,,,,whoever makes the coils for whatever machine, they all say,,,,the double d is designed to handle heavy mineralization,,,,,,,,on a scale of one to ten,,,with one being less mineralization and ten being a whole bunch,,,,where on the scale would a double d coil come into use,,,,,,im really starting to think the double d's are another gimmick just to get people to buy something new,,,,,i think it would be simple if someone said, ok, if your g.b. knob gets this point then youre in bad ground, but i know its not that simple,,,,,,,with all the different type conditions around the country,,,i dont think you could but all the different types of minerialization on scale to determine when a double d coil would be the coil to use
Hi Grunt,
Here is one way to tell about whether or not the ground you are hunting is hot (positive GB)
or not (negative GB).
I always carry a small graphite rod with me. (I'll send you one if you want)
The graphite is REAL close to the center of the ground balance spectrum,
and if you GB your detector to it, and mark that spot mentally,
you can get a real good idea of how hot your ground is by how far from that mark you need to go
to get a good balance to the ground you are on.
Hope this is helpful.
Thanks for that USMC time.
Russ/TN
Here is one way to tell about whether or not the ground you are hunting is hot (positive GB)
or not (negative GB).
I always carry a small graphite rod with me. (I'll send you one if you want)
The graphite is REAL close to the center of the ground balance spectrum,
and if you GB your detector to it, and mark that spot mentally,
you can get a real good idea of how hot your ground is by how far from that mark you need to go
to get a good balance to the ground you are on.
Hope this is helpful.
Thanks for that USMC time.
Russ/TN
Doug,
The Tejon has a 3 3/4 turn GB control. If you turn it with one finger you will feel a slight resistance at both ends of the adjustable range of the pot. In other words if you feel the drag after turning CCW and then make two full turns back CW as a starting point to GB and the detector balances close to that point then the mineralisation is not that bad or about average. But say you had to go over 3 turns to acheive a balance, then chances are you are getting into some bad ground. Hope this is not too confusing, it's simply knowing where you are in the 3 3/4 turn range of adjustment. Some folks install O-rings under all the control knobs to prevent unwanted movement. I did the same to my Tejon but left out the GB knob so I could feel the drag on both ends of the range.
Jerry
The Tejon has a 3 3/4 turn GB control. If you turn it with one finger you will feel a slight resistance at both ends of the adjustable range of the pot. In other words if you feel the drag after turning CCW and then make two full turns back CW as a starting point to GB and the detector balances close to that point then the mineralisation is not that bad or about average. But say you had to go over 3 turns to acheive a balance, then chances are you are getting into some bad ground. Hope this is not too confusing, it's simply knowing where you are in the 3 3/4 turn range of adjustment. Some folks install O-rings under all the control knobs to prevent unwanted movement. I did the same to my Tejon but left out the GB knob so I could feel the drag on both ends of the range.
Jerry
Good question and posts!
We took our new Tejons out this weekend to a site we thought we had mostly cleaned out with ShadowX2's. (yeah right, cleaned out...Hah!) We also took them to a downtown city park that's been remodeled over and over since 1895. We found that ANYWHERE we tried to ground balance there were multiple targets under the coil. The only way we could even start to hunt was to set the GB to the mid range, then all metal all the targets from a couple of square feet. Once it was "cleaned" we GB'ed as usual/properly. Just about no mineralization/bad ground in our area of FL. On my machine I could get a little into the Max zone, hunting partner's chirping stopped at 10. We hunted mostly two ways, one with disc 1 set on SCAP (LOL!), using disc 2 as a coincheck. Coin Hoover. The other way we hunted was to set disc 1 just above foil, didn't use disc 2, and dug a billion targets. No way around digging it all if you want the goodies, especially masked goodies.... One short afternoon and from digging all kinds of targets we have a much better idea what we are hearing/seeing from the beep. It is not a single beep and the machine does talk as others have said. Happy Hunting!
We took our new Tejons out this weekend to a site we thought we had mostly cleaned out with ShadowX2's. (yeah right, cleaned out...Hah!) We also took them to a downtown city park that's been remodeled over and over since 1895. We found that ANYWHERE we tried to ground balance there were multiple targets under the coil. The only way we could even start to hunt was to set the GB to the mid range, then all metal all the targets from a couple of square feet. Once it was "cleaned" we GB'ed as usual/properly. Just about no mineralization/bad ground in our area of FL. On my machine I could get a little into the Max zone, hunting partner's chirping stopped at 10. We hunted mostly two ways, one with disc 1 set on SCAP (LOL!), using disc 2 as a coincheck. Coin Hoover. The other way we hunted was to set disc 1 just above foil, didn't use disc 2, and dug a billion targets. No way around digging it all if you want the goodies, especially masked goodies.... One short afternoon and from digging all kinds of targets we have a much better idea what we are hearing/seeing from the beep. It is not a single beep and the machine does talk as others have said. Happy Hunting!
"Billions" of targets at spot you thought you had cleaned out? Oh man, you better think back now, on the good sites you hunted in the past, and go back and revisit them! Sounds like you guys are getting the hang of your new Animals! At those really trashy sites you might want to try the small 575 coil. Thats something you can do down the road of coarse, but that little coil gets nearly the same depth as the 9 by 8 and much better seperation. You can also cherry pick a trashy site easier with that coil. You guys are doing well, congrats!