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Vaquero vs lobo ST

Herb Jones

New member
Does the lobo ST Do anything substantially better than
the vaquero? I have virtually no naturally occurring gold
here where I am So only a rare occasional piece of random
jewelry is the most I could hope for. I
Don't see. Too Many gold Coins Being Recovered by anyone
Anywhere...Would the higher frequency
benefit me in relic/Coin shooting? , I currently have
(eldorado10khz, compadre12khz, vaquero14khz,)
Which is more logical covering a broader Frequency range or
adding additional Coils for greater versatility?
 
Herb Jones said:
Does the lobo ST Do anything substantially better than the vaquero?
Not for me. It does have a slight edge for gold nugget hunting in the All Metal mode, but compared with the Vaquero they use the same search coils, but the Lobo ST is heavier, and has a preset GB for the Disc. mode. It does offer the ED-180 full-range of acceptance in the Discriminate mode, but is that something you would use? Do you want to find all targets, including all iron, or is the Vaqueros Discrimination more functional for your needs?


Herb Jones said:
I have virtually no naturally occurring gold here where I am So only a rare occasional piece of random jewelry is the most I could hope for.
Any of your detectors will find jewelry, be it gold or silver or just costume quality items.


Herb Jones said:
I Don't see. Too Many gold Coins Being Recovered by anyone Anywhere..
There were not that many gold coins lost as they were not carried as frequently in "loose change" like the sub-dollar coinage. It took me 13 years of detecting before I got my first $2½ gold coin in the summer of 1978, and at that time I felt it had been a long time. Well I mainly search old sites, spending most of my time for decades hunting ghost towns, pioneer and military encampments, homesteads, recreation sites and more. All places that had activity when gold coins were in circulation, but we are coming up on summer of 2017, and it's been 39 years since I found my first and only gold coin.

Keep your hopes up, do some research for old-use sites dating from the era when gold coins might have been carried and used, then keep the Discrimination as low as you can tolerate and recover whatever gives you a good or reasonably iffy beep. Any detector you currently have will find gold coins.


Herb Jones said:
Would the higher frequency benefit me in relic/Coin shooting? I currently have (eldorado10khz, compadre12khz, vaquero14khz,)
Possibly, and possibly not. I do rely on my 19 kHz models for a lot of dense iron littered sites, but I mean 'densely' littered and not only nails. But my units offer more mode tone options and other features the Lobo ST doesn't offer. And although I found coins with my Lobo SuperTRAQ, I found many more coins using my other detector models. Also more gold jewelry.

Let me add this to the thinking: I have detected since my start in March of '65. My interested shifted to include Relic Hunting in May of '69 as well. I started using Tesoro's in July of '83, and still keep some of my favorite Tesoro models in my working arsenal. Since then I have always relied on having one or more Tesoro's on-hand. I own and use a lot of detectors, but since '83, probably 90% of all the old coins, trade tokens and desirable 'keepers' I have found in ghost towns, stage stops, homesteads and such was when I was working a 10 kHz or 12 kHz Tesoro.

Most of the gold jewelry I have ever found has come my way when I was using one of my favorite 10-12 kHz Tesoro's. I Relic Hunt more than Coin Hunt, but the last time I tallied over 10,000 coins in a year [size=small](that was '98 with 12,479)[/size], probably 90% of that came when using favorite quick-response and fast-recovery 10 to 12 kHz Tesoro models.

If you mainly Coin Hunt, you don't need a Lobo ST. You have models that work and can work well.


Herb Jones said:
Which is more logical covering a broader Frequency range or adding additional Coils for greater versatility?
Kind of both, but there is a limit by over-doing things. Again, if you are mainly a Coin Hunter then all you need are two coils per detector, referring to the Eldorado and Vaquero. If anything I would suggest shopping for a different detector, meaning different brand and model, if you want to gain any significant performance or featured benefits over what you have.

I rely on search coil selection, especially fitting the best smaller-size coil on a detector to deal with the challenges I usually encounter. If for urban Coin Hunting I am often working in and around metal structures and fences, or littered areas around play and picnic sites, I use smaller coils. I keep a 6" Concentric mounted on my Bandido II [size=small]micro[/size]MAX for the bulk of the sites I hunt with it. If it is a rural location when I am Relic Hunting, I am often dealing with brush, weeds, twigs and the like, sometimes building rubble and other confining objects, as well as the debris which is usually nails and other ferrous trash. I use smaller-size coils on all my Tesoro models the bulk of the time.

In a week you can glance at my detector display rack here in my den and see my primary-use Tesoro's all ready-to-go with my choice of search coils for most applications. A Bandido II µMAX w/6" Concentric, Vaquero w/6" Concentric coil, and Mojave w/the new 7" Concentric coil. In the accessory coil bag I have the brown 8" donut 5-pin coil and the 4-pin 8X11 DD for the Vaquero just in case I want to use any of them in a more open, less targeted location. My Vaquero should be back from Tesoro by then as I am getting the high-tone mod. With my impaired hearing the low-tone just doesn't work well for me.

So just make sure you have a smaller coil for trashy and confined locations, and there isn't really any significant difference over what you currently have from the Tesoro line-up. Use the right coil, pick the right detector, then go find stuff. Pretty simple. :) Any further detector model consideration to complement what you have would need you to look at other brands and models for significant features that are functional and useful for your types of hunting.

Monte
 
Monte
Let me start by say that you are an exceptionally helpful person
and I value your opinion greatly.

I had considered the smaller 5.75" coil and possibly a different machine
... but narrowing it down and Trying to make sense if it all is
overwhelming at time. Trying to Sort the facts from opinions is a
treasure hunt all by its self .

I doubt I have enough years left to even come Close to your
Years of experience.... I'd have to live to be close to 100yo
And I doubt I could hear, stoop, or dig anything at that age.
I figure I have 20 good years of detecting left (maybe a few
More).... with that in mind.
Would you please give me two recommendations for machines I
should keep my eyes out for? I prefer the simplicity of the Tesoro's
As with all things technical I have found less is more, and that there is no gadget
Made that trumps real life fundamental know how.
 
I never found a gold coin and would be surprised if I did. People just do not lose those and never did often. But I have found several pieces of gold jewelry, because those do get lost pretty regularly. If you learn to use a Vaquero right, you will find gold jewelry occasionally. The Vaquero's combination of good disc circuit, very deep capability, and overall stability make it an extremely good detector.
 
'Thank You' for the kind words. According to my doctor I had for 24+ years, I was encouraged to consider giving up metal detecting back in '91 along with other recreational activities like bowling, golf, and things that called for "repetitive twisting, bending and stooping." I gave her a look and she asked 'What?' I said ... "Well, I will almost." I used to go bowl 2-3 games for fun maybe twice every three or four years. I never golfed, so that was no problem. In '93 when they gave me a cane to help me deal with the back pain, poor balance and trying to get along, I also got a medical profile write-up that said I was not to use a rake, broom, shovel, weed eater, leaf blower, lawn mower, a vacuum cleaner or other devices that called for bending and twisting and using my bad back and shoulder. I again gave her the look and she said, "I guess you'll still go metal detecting?" Yep! was my simple reply.

This is a quarter century later and I have more health issues this past seven years than back then, and I am definitely not as mobile as I once was, and can't hunt as long as I used to without a few breaks to recoup so I can continue. I love this great outdoor sport and plan to hang in there as long as I possibly can ... but I am facing the facts that it might not be a whole lot longer as I continue to fall apart. So do what you can to enjoy every moment you can that involves metal detecting.


Herb Jones said:
Would you please give me two recommendations for machines I
should keep my eyes out for? I prefer the simplicity of the Tesoro's
As with all things technical I have found less is more, and that there is no gadget
Made that trumps real life fundamental know how.
Now for one of the toughest questions anyone could ask an avid detectorist like me, and that is suggestions for a detector or two that might complement the detector(s) they already have. It is especially difficult on an open discussion Forum like this one because we all have our personal opinions, and while I can accept those of others most of the time who are experienced, there are folks out there who might have less experience and/or might be too close minded to understand other peoples opinions. So, I'll answer but I might have a few shots at me by those who either don't like me or don't like my detector choices and opinions. So be it.

I don't know your shopping budget, nor how involved you have been or might get to be with detectors, but after over five decades of avidly enjoying them, I still base all my detector decision on the three basic terms I have always used. I like a detector that is:

'Simple' and by that I mean a detector that doesn't require a lot of adjustments to get it to work reasonably well. Now, that doesn't mean a detector has to be free of a lot of search modes and settings, just that once a mode is selected it is relatively 'Simple' to get it up and running for decent performance at a site you've chosen.

'Functional' which to means it doesn't have a lot of limitations or shortcomings. It has to provide the settings you need and the performance desired, but without a lot of excessive tweaking here or counter-adjusting there. Also, a 'Functional' unit to me is one that provides the operator good design and packaging, easy to access controls, balances well and is comfortable to use for a prolonged search. Naturally, it must handle the types of trash or bad ground and other things you find as challenging.

'Performance' is naturally a necessary 3rd ingredient I consider when selecting any detector I might want in my personal arsenal. If it looks nice, balances well, adjusts easily, but lacks the end performance to deal with the trash conditions I encounter, then it just doesn't make the cut to be considered. You have to know the types of sites you'll hunt and the detecting you plan of doing, then consider what it is going to require for a detector to provide the 'Performance' you want and need for those conditions.

Naturally, one excellent example of a detector that is a 'fit' for me is a Tesoro Bandido II [size=small]micro[/size]MAX which is 'Simple' to operate with an uncluttered control display and easy to get into action. It is 'Functional' as well with its light weight and comfortable balance with my coils of choice, and the circuitry design provides very good 'Performance' in a wide range of hunting environments I usually seek. And naturally, it wouldn't be one of my favorite Tesoro models if it didn't provide the 'Performance' I except from it when hunting the trashy sites, dealing with iron, working in and around building rubble and dealing with a wide-range of ground mineralization.

Every detector in my personal arsenal fits the category of being 'Simple', 'Functional' and providing the 'Performance' I would expect of it based upon the type of detector it is, the features and functions it has, and for the types of sites I prefer to use it for. My units-of-choice are listed below, and that even includes the very basic, straight TR Compass Coin Hustler. I don't use it that often, and mainly for demonstrations in my seminars to help show what we had, where we have come, and kind of what we left behind along the way. But there are a few times I put it to good use now and then. Seldom, but when it can provide the Simple, Functional Performance I choose it for, it most often works.

So, here we go. My suggestions, based upon my personal experience owning and using many current detectors from several brands, and wanting a multi-purpose detector that can work well for the novice to very active Coin Hunter as well as a dedicated and serious Relic Hunter include the following:

If your budget is limited, but you want a detector in the under $500 MSRP category that can provide you some worthwhile benefits over what you now own, such as visual Target ID and some form of audio Tone ID, I would suggest the original Makro Racer or the Teknetics T2 'Classic.'

If you are considering an investment in an over-$500 to $800 detector, your choices will be greater when you consider all manufacturers. My bias is going to show here because I have owned and used models like the Fisher F19 and Garrett AT Pro and more that fall in this price range, but none of them satisfied my wants and needs, nor provided the adjustment features that these models provide. In order of my personal preference are the Nokta FORS Relic, then the FORS CoRe and then the Makro Racer 2.

In all the above cases I also strongly urge you to get at least their smaller-size search coil for working trashier locations. It is a must-have in my opinion in order to have a truly versatile detector 'package.'

Now for the Over-$800 category. Models like the White's MXT All-Pro, way over-priced for what has been offered the past 2-3 years, is out. The Nokta FORS CoRe outclassed it and eliminated it from my personal arsenal in January of 2015. I have owned and used most of the Minelab FBS series models, and the White's VX3 and V3i, but their poor weight and balance, and either complexity or lack of versatile performance for my Relic Hunting and Jewelry Hunting needs, had me part with all of them. Matter of fact, they were all out of my detector battery by the time I had the FORS CoRe in action. The Nokta FORS Relic easily gave me the excellent weight, balance, functional features and easy-to-use performance to take the #1 spot in my arsenal, basically tied are the FORS Relic and FORS CoRe.

There hasn't been a detector I liked, and could talk about, that had an MSRP over $800 that really appealed to me and provided exceptional all-around performance until now when I can openly include the Nokta Impact. Where is it in my personal detector battery you might ask? I am going to be totally honest and tell you it is right there, at the top, and shares that spot with my Relic and CoRe. Keep in mind the Impact has just been announced for pre-orders through Nokta Dealers. Release will be coming soon as the Impact is in the final stages of software adjustment and updates for the final product run.

What that means is that, like any new detector on the market, we all need to learn it well to know the strengths and weaknesses to make a final decision. I really like the fact that it is a very full-featured detector providing the choice of three operating frequencies and several very useful [size=small](aka 'Functional')[/size] adjustment features, and so far I have been impressed by the overall 'Performance' it has provided. As weather improves, and with the week-long detecting vacation I am taking the first of March to warmer and drier environments, I will be able to better appreciate what the Impact offers.

The Impact is a multi-purpose detector that is actually several detectors in one you could say. In many ways it is a combination and enhancement of the CoRe and Relic and Racer 2, but with some new, and very unique, search modes and functions. I can tell you it is 'Simple' enough that a more Avid Detectorist should be able to take to it and learn it easily and enjoy what it provides. In the same breath I'll tell you that it just might be more detector than many newcomers or novice detector users, or just the casual Coin Hunter might want to try and figure out. For some it will be overwhelming.

I am sure my oldest son won't be in a rush to grab one to replace his FORS CoRe as he's not quite up to my level of enthusiasm, even though he enjoys his CoRe and is still learning it. Another hunting buddy, upon now seeing the Impact, seems to be content with his FORS CoRe and Racer 2, and feels the Impact might be more than he cares to learn, or it might just have too many search modes and programs for him to be comfortable with. Matter-of-fact, he now is considering just adding a FORS Relic because it is in a familiar package, works well and has the few additional features he would use.

There is no 'perfect' detector or I would have only one. But there are quite a few detectors on the market that can provide more features and versatile performance that can complement the features and performance you get out of your current Tesoro models. Not to replace them, but a detector to complement them and give you more all-around versatility.

Just some personal opinions to consider, but remember to get a smaller-size coil with whatever detector you end up buying. Then, put in ample time to use it, learn it, and know how to benefit from the strengths it offers.

Monte
 
Damn Monte... I feel
Like I should have to pay
for that kind of detailed advice...
If you are ever down around Angola,
Louisiana way, let me know. I can
Turn you on to some decent sites
That I've researched... there is a lot
of French, Spanish, British history
in this part of the country. Some of
which dating back to the early 1700's
Most of which Has been reclaimed by
vegetation, And virtually none of it easy
to find.... But I have always loved history,
and maps, and putting the pieces together.
I'd be glad to share what I know with you...
I have a small book being filled with sites to explore
... Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise!


Very much appreciated.
 
Wow. Just wow.
As always wonderful advice Monte.
I can vouch for the nokta fors relic and ironically opposite way as Monte's friend I own the relic now and still want a core for some strange reason. But when buying time came I could only afford one and the relic won and I wanted a different style later to try and that's when the racer 2 came in.
I've been reading Monte's knowledge on here for a bit over a year and he knows his stuff.
Heck, when I saw that he purchased the Mojave I smiled.

I will admit that some of my collection below was chosen based on his advice he's freely given to this community.

I love my bandido II micromax andy nokta fors relic.
I also love all my tesoros for different reasons.
I know I have to thin my herd eventually but I'm finding it harder and harder to pick which ones.

He has had probably 10x more time on his relic than I have so I have alot to learn.

Your selection of tesoros you've already picked seems very nice. And as far as Tesoro I agree that the bandido II micromax is my favorite with the outlaw (kissing cousin) as well as my compadre. The Mojave may edge out the compadre but I'll always keep my compadres.

I'm not familiar with the eldorado so I cant speak to that but heard many wonderful things.

One day I hope to be able to afford the impact.
If Monte likes it and vouches for it, well you can take that to the bank.

But in the end it's up to you.
Metal detectors find metal. Unless you're in heavily trashed sites or heavily mineralized sites the one you have will work well. Definitely second the small coil idea.

So far you have chosen well and with Monte's advice you're on the right path :)
Happy hunting!!
 
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